[shakespear1]

Unless you are teminally ill or have a hopeless illness. OK, suicide may be the answer. Otherwise if you wish to do away with yourself then get your but on a plan or a bike and use your life to help others. Why waist it for nothing? Your head and you two hands sure could help in a lot of ways IF you really look around. The easy way out solves nothing except to leave a mark of having given up.

I dare say even if you walked up a 2,000 mountain would make your perspective on life change a lot.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', 'G')ood post Wrencher, I agree totaly.My brother killed himself 5 years ago.

Those that choose to comitt suicide don't stop to think of the pain that they put their loved ones through.All they are concerned about is their problems,real or imagined.It is quite selfish of them really.I will never forgive my brother for the pain that he put his family through,especially our mother.There was no reason at all that we could see as to why he did it.I loved my brother,how dare he do this to his family!

If I ever see my brother in the afterlife if there is one,I'll kick his ass!

[alpha480v]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('alpha480v', 'G')ood post Wrencher, I agree totaly.My brother killed himself 5 years ago.

Those that choose to comitt suicide don't stop to think of the pain that they put their loved ones through.All they are concerned about is their problems,real or imagined.It is quite selfish of them really.I will never forgive my brother for the pain that he put his family through,especially our mother.There was no reason at all that we could see as to why he did it.I loved my brother,how dare he do this to his family!

If I ever see my brother in the afterlife if there is one,I'll kick his ass!

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t could be, if gas is too expensive to buy and you can't go anywhere or get your medicines and your job goes "phut!". Use your imagination.

Some will respond by fighting desperately to survive, but those who were holding on to life by their fingernails before PO will not even want to try, your hand-wringing about relatives and our weak morals notwithstanding.

[AmericanEmpire]

I just don't massive amounts of people going back to the farming existence way of life that many on this board do. The people that already own land that they farm on will probably scrape by but even they will have hardship when fuel costs so much they can't use their tractors anymore. The filthy rich will definitely get by living the same way they always have (while taking advantage of the desperate masses).

There is just not enough land to go around for everyone. The people in the cities and suburbs are screwed period.

In a fast crash senario there will be no options for most. Our living arangements have been set up to be utterly dependent on automobiles. And soon automobiles are not going to be an option. So you are left with and infrastructure that becomes utterly useless and people stranded where they are.

Without personal transportation and jobs what are they gonna do if they haven't already set up some kind of self sufficiency. No options means they will either steal and kill when there is nothing to lose or they will simply die from not having the basics.

I think many people will choose the suicide way out. They aren't gonna want to live a third world lifestyle. Death will look like a better option to most than that.

I think those saying that suicide is not a valid option for peak oil don't truely realize how bad things could get.



I will say its gonna be one hell of a show though when the masses realize whats happening is happening. There's no telling how crazy its gonna get. So I am interested in sticking around to see the begginings of it. Plus I have to stick around until the shit hits the fan since I don't know the timetable of how much "normal" life we have left.

[Raxozanne]

I've changed my mind, I don't want to get involved in this discussion afterall. [edit]

[Heineken]

Here's the real question: Why should individuals who've been forsaken by people in life give a damn what they think about how they die?

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'H')ere's the real question: Why should individuals who've been forsaken by people in life give a damn what they think about how they die?

[Heineken]

Doly, people do not always care what other people think. Some people always care what other people think.

A person who has decided to end his or her life is particularly unlikely to be worrying about what other people think. Death is the ultimate lonely experience. It isn't a social event.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'H')ere's the real question: Why should individuals who've been forsaken by people in life give a damn what they think about how they die?

[Heineken]

I agree, threadbear. Our society, so-called, is ravaged with disconnectedness. I sometimes think that my longing for nature and my rejection of the strip-mall arises out of a Jungian desire to rejoin my long-dead tribe, deep in its vanished forest. And so I dwell alone in my own forest, waiting for the return of my tribe.

[threadbear]

Same Heineken. Suburban soul death is almost as bad as the soul death of the industrial revolution, where people lived packed like sardines in cramped quarters where they lived bleak lives of hunger, illiteracy and sickness. Mothers pimped their daughters to survive.

McMansion in the burbs create too much unnatural living space around individuals. The inhabitants are overworked, overfed and uncultivated. The parents pimp their kids to corporate advertizers who give them Hostess ho hos, mini pizzas and violent video games, in return. This is all supposed to make them "happy" At least the lives wasted in London's squalid streets, were clearly understood to be miserable.

[Heineken]

I've devoted my life to getting away from suburbia and that dead world you so chillingly describe, threadbear. It meant some sacrifices, but all well worth it, even though my country life is itself far from perfect. As you say, at least it's real.

[threadbear]

Heineken, When I returned from Europe after a 7 month stay in Barcelona, a few years back, my first impression was how much and how often North Americans smile. I was seeing my own culture for the first time, and rather than the smiling being comforting and welcoming, it struck me as being scary and unreal. Everyone seemed to be playing "make believe" on so many levels it was kind of disturbing. It took a while before I reintegrated with the mass neuroses, and began grinning like a village idiot again. I wonder if there are any emoticons that express this kind of "we're all having fun here together aren't we, aren't we?"

Kind of like this--

It's really great that you've turned your back on prozac culture and consensus reality and stealthily snuck back to the forest. I'm on a little under an acre on an island not far from a town that has about 10 stores, so the social dynamic is quite different from the burbs. I could never go back. Suburbs are insular wannabe zoos for mainstream drones.

Most cities, on the coasts, at least, have some interesting people, a broader array of ideas and opinions. It's not all about how much money you make, but who you are. But here's an interesting question. I find that a lot of people who are living off the grid, are very dynamic curious and full of life, whereas farmers who who NEVER left the farm, not so much. Do you find there's some kind of division where you are too?

[AmericanEmpire]

Does anyone thing the blood pressure cuff method talked about earlier in the thread would work?

I want a reliable method if I'm gonna do it.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '.')..When I returned from Europe after a 7 month stay in Barcelona, a few years back, my first impression was how much and how often North Americans smile. I was seeing my own culture for the first time, and rather than the smiling being comforting and welcoming, it struck me as being scary and unreal. Everyone seemed to be playing "make believe" on so many levels it was kind of disturbing.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'H')eineken, When I returned from Europe after a 7 month stay in Barcelona, a few years back, my first impression was how much and how often North Americans smile. I was seeing my own culture for the first time, and rather than the smiling being comforting and welcoming, it struck me as being scary and unreal. Everyone seemed to be playing "make believe" on so many levels it was kind of disturbing. It took a while before I reintegrated with the mass neuroses, and began grinning like a village idiot again. I wonder if there are any emoticons that express this kind of "we're all having fun here together aren't we, aren't we?"

Kind of like this--

It's really great that you've turned your back on prozac culture and consensus reality and stealthily snuck back to the forest. I'm on a little under an acre on an island not far from a town that has about 10 stores, so the social dynamic is quite different from the burbs. I could never go back. Suburbs are insular wannabe zoos for mainstream drones.

Most cities, on the coasts, at least, have some interesting people, a broader array of ideas and opinions. It's not all about how much money you make, but who you are. But here's an interesting question. I find that a lot of people who are living off the grid, are very dynamic curious and full of life, whereas farmers who who NEVER left the farm, not so much. Do you find there's some kind of division where you are too?

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '.')..When I returned from Europe after a 7 month stay in Barcelona, a few years back, my first impression was how much and how often North Americans smile. I was seeing my own culture for the first time, and rather than the smiling being comforting and welcoming, it struck me as being scary and unreal. Everyone seemed to be playing "make believe" on so many levels it was kind of disturbing.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'D')oes anyone thing the blood pressure cuff method talked about earlier in the thread would work?

I want a reliable method if I'm gonna do it.

[crapattack]

Hope you don't mind me joining the conversation so late, but I was lurking a bit, trying to figure out my own feelings about this topic. I definitely don't want to suicide - tried it once in my youth and was rescued by accident - I had a rough childhood, enough said. I'm glad I survived now and it took a long time to be glad.

Crap happens and we will all die anyway. There is pleasure to be eeked out from life, even in the smallest things. If you are starving to death, then death is coming why not enjoy your last moments as much as possible. I've had much pain and one thing I know for myself is pain is just pain. In my life I have found the simplest things bring me the most joy anyhow. Love from my partner, rain on a hot day, a perfect flower. I guess I have had to fight for my life and I am used to fighting. Now I know how precious life is I will always fight and probably go down fighting. I respect everyone's choice, even my young self years ago as I know what motivated me. It was right then, and it will be right for many of you too. I just want to say that there will still be things worth living for should you choose to stay.