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Unread postby smiley » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 16:10:21

Do you recognise these cars?

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Unread postby Hawkcreek » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 16:21:43

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Unread postby smiley » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 16:28:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o, but I like their looks.


What if I tell you they are both American?
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Unread postby jato » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 16:28:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')o you recognise these cars?


No.

It is mostly trucks and SUVs where I live.
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Unread postby T4chibanaUkyo » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 16:37:29

well, then....as to torture us enough, please tell us Smiley, what are these cars? Hybrids? Huge bicycles that look like cars? please, tell us more!
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Unread postby turmoil » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 16:46:21

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"When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains however improbable must be the truth"-Sherlock Holmes
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Unread postby gego » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 17:13:55

Looks to me like just another delusion to keep alive the hope that one living in an unsustainable life style (moving about in cars) will somehow defy the laws of nature and manage to outsmart the inevitable.

If you think that getting one of these jokes is a way that you will manage to survive, then you perhaps are on the road to Mr. Darwin's trash dump in your super savior vehicle.
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Unread postby smiley » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 17:47:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ell, then....as to torture us enough, please tell us Smiley, what are these cars? Hybrids? Huge bicycles that look like cars? please, tell us more!


The one above is the Chevrolet Matiz
The lower one is the Ford Ka

They are conventional petrol cars and have been on the market for a while.. I've driven them both and they are OK, (although the Ka feels a bit cheapish). At the moment these are the best selling US cars around here. They are putting a quite large advertising budget on these two cars. I'm watching commercial after commercial telling how economical and environmental friendly they are.

However to my surprise I found out that they are not available in the US.

I don't get it. For the European market they are selling environmental awareness and economics, whereas for their home market they are pushing those big SUV's.

It is not that the average European is more environmentally aware than the average American. In my opinion environmental awareness is something which can be and perhaps should be marketed (hyped).

So why choose a different message and different cars for the US and Europe?
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Unread postby Hiderow » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 18:08:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'L')ooks to me like just another delusion to keep alive the hope that one living in an unsustainable life style (moving about in cars) will somehow defy the laws of nature and manage to outsmart the inevitable.

If you think that getting one of these jokes is a way that you will manage to survive, then you perhaps are on the road to Mr. Darwin's trash dump in your super savior vehicle.

Hmm, I dont know why you think they are a joke, lots of people already drive these sort of cars in europe and have done for years. It's because they are more economical to run.
I know we are running out, but calling smaller cars jokes is the wrong way to look at it imo. It's the SUV drivers who are the ones that are really screwed in the short term. In the long term, who knows.... :shock:

Personally, I'll stick with my gn125 that does 300km on 8 litres of unleaded :)
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Unread postby crossthread » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 18:37:58

:P I want one of those! I'd think that "car" style would go great along with the ?young/college/green crowd!
Do they come in 4 wheel/All~wheel drive so I can drive too "Our" N.End on the beach sand???
IWANT ONE! and I'm 40 living in Wilmington NC...
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 19:07:30

Doesnt look at all familiar. Never seen it till now.
And I think its ugly as all hell.
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Unread postby gego » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 19:09:06

My point is that ALL CARS are a joke.

If you are one who thinks that more effecient, smaller cars are the solution you just do not get it.

Cars are fueled by energy. If there is not sufficient energy to sustain a lifesyle of cars, effecient or inefficient ones, then it is a small point selecting different cars.

If you believe that you can survive in a society where cars are the means of locomotion, then you are likely setting yourself up to be an evolutionary dead end, because you will not have prepared to sustain your life without cars and the many things that also are dependent upon stored energy.

Failing to face the massive dieoff consequences of the end of the energy era, and focusing on little issues like style of cars, is absurd from the point of view of survival. You are worried about a hang nail, while you fail to notice your four extremities are rotten with gangreen.
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Unread postby bobcousins » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 19:21:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'S')o why choose a different message and different cars for the US and Europe?


Wow, that gets the prize for stupid question of the week.

They are not "US cars". They are European cars, made by US owned companies.
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Unread postby pilferage » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 19:28:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'S')o why choose a different message and different cars for the US and Europe?


Inventory. In the EU and Japan displacement has been officially and unofficially taxed. In the US, there have been no such measures, if anything, our government almost explicitly supports the auto/oil industries.
Essentially, we have lost of large disp engines left to sell, the EU doesn't.
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Unread postby marko » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 23:26:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'S')o why choose a different message and different cars for the US and Europe?


Because the US auto firms are huge failures at planning. They react very slowly to changes in trend and tend to put all of their eggs into one basket. In the early 70s, it was those huge gas guzzlers. When oil prices went up, US auto makers lost market share massively to Japanese firms who were making the economical cars that suddenly made sense. It took several years for US auto makers to retool and start seriously selling compact cars.

In recent years, they have put most of their resources into making SUVs. Retooling now will be expensive and they are already hurting financially. Their compact models in the US cannot compete with Japanese imports because they have invested very little in making their compacts marketable.

Their European models would not be competitive in the US because of a) import duties and b) the shipping cost. Japanese firms are making compacts more cheaply right here in the US.

Meanwhile, Toyota cannot keep up with the US demand for its hybrid Prius. Apparently the US automakers will be coming out with hybrids soon, but you can count on the quality to be much lower (and the price not much lower) than the Japanese models.

Finally, I will offer a stereotype that is probably not quite fair. American auto execs are mostly big guys from the Midwest who are into really big cars, always have been, and they are just not very interested in little cars, which they see as something less than masculine.
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Unread postby ubercrap » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 23:37:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('marko', '
')Finally, I will offer a stereotype that is probably not quite fair. American auto execs are mostly big guys from the Midwest who are into really big cars, always have been, and they are just not very interested in little cars, which they see as something less than masculine.


Oh, I don't think its unfair. I worked in the auto industry a little bit, and this is dead-on. The small car offerings from the U.S. auto industry for the U.S. market have always transparently unenthusiastic. Oh, and I've always like the Ka!
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 23:42:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('marko', ' ')American auto execs are mostly big guys from the Midwest who are into really big cars, always have been, and they are just not very interested in little cars, which they see as something less than masculine.

Do you think there is any relation to "tool" size as well?
I may not have a big d.... but my car is bigger :twisted: :twisted:
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 23:43:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'M')y point is that ALL CARS are a joke.

If you are one who thinks that more effecient, smaller cars are the solution you just do not get it.

Cars are fueled by energy. If there is not sufficient energy to sustain a lifesyle of cars, effecient or inefficient ones, then it is a small point selecting different cars.

If you believe that you can survive in a society where cars are the means of locomotion, then you are likely setting yourself up to be an evolutionary dead end, because you will not have prepared to sustain your life without cars and the many things that also are dependent upon stored energy.

Failing to face the massive dieoff consequences of the end of the energy era, and focusing on little issues like style of cars, is absurd from the point of view of survival. You are worried about a hang nail, while you fail to notice your four extremities are rotten with gangreen.


You need to put the crack down....In a big way...... 8O
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Unread postby ubercrap » Sat 06 Aug 2005, 23:56:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('marko', ' ')American auto execs are mostly big guys from the Midwest who are into really big cars, always have been, and they are just not very interested in little cars, which they see as something less than masculine.

Do you think there is any relation to "tool" size as well?
I may not have a big d.... but my car is bigger :twisted: :twisted:


Oh, I don't know about that. The impression I got is that a lot of them were big ol' no-nonsense farmboys who were smart, captain of the football team, etc... who later became engineers and worked their way up to middle management.
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Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 01:41:51

Gego is right, cars are not the solution. More energy-effecient cars are not going to fix the massive energy required to make them, obesity due to a sedentary lifestyle, gridlock, sprawl, etc.
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