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We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby timmac » Sat 29 May 2010, 05:19:05

Proposal: All New Yorkers Become Organ Donors :shock:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ssemblyman Brodsky Introduces Bill That Would Give State The Right To Decide If You Are To Give The Gift Of Life
If Passed In Albany, Law Would Be First Of Its Kind In The United States


http://wcbstv.com/health/ny.organ.donor ... ddComments
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby brixio » Sat 29 May 2010, 05:33:58

it's a good proposal. what do a dead person do with his liver? let's use it. what's the problem?
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby timmac » Sat 29 May 2010, 05:41:35

Your body when you die belongs back to your family to have a proper burial, not after the State decides what part or if any of your body will be left to be buried..

Hell this law if goes nation wide could end up like in the Soylent Green movie where the State gets your body after death and feeds it to the masses,, Laws like this should not be started.........

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Unread postby ian807 » Sat 29 May 2010, 09:09:32

I like my solylent green with horseradish! :P
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby brixio » Sat 29 May 2010, 09:49:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'Y')our body when you die belongs back to your family to have a proper burial, not after the State decides what part or if any of your body will be left to be buried..

Hell this law if goes nation wide could end up like in the Soylent Green movie where the State gets your body after death and feeds it to the masses,, Laws like this should not be started.........

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i don't see any problem in such a law. you and some religions decided that your body belongs to your family. i think that my body belongs to earth, and if my kindeys are going to be alive 10 years more than my stomach i don't care. they'll become earth anyway sooner or later. anyway, we'll be dead, so we won't be able to notice anything that will be done to our body.
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 29 May 2010, 11:26:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('brixio', '
')i don't see any problem in such a law. you and some religions decided that your body belongs to your family. i think that my body belongs to earth, and if my kindeys are going to be alive 10 years more than my stomach i don't care. they'll become earth anyway sooner or later. anyway, we'll be dead, so we won't be able to notice anything that will be done to our body.


Then go fill out the proper paperwork donating your organs to the ill and your body to science and let the rest of us choose our own path. That is what freedom is for, to make our own choices.
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Unread postby Narz » Sat 29 May 2010, 11:47:52

I propose Montequest's organs go to needy Mormons of child-bearing age... :twisted:
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Unread postby careinke » Sun 30 May 2010, 12:21:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen go fill out the proper paperwork donating your organs to the ill and your body to science and let the rest of us choose our own path. That is what freedom is for, to make our own choices.


I have done exactly that. That said, I don't think this law is a good idea. This is a very personal decision that should not be decided by the state. In Washington, declaring you are a donor is pretty easy you just declare it while getting your drivers licence.

I would not be adverse to changing the law so you are automatically considered a donor when you get your drivers licence, unless you decide to declare you are not a donor. This would have the effect of adding the "I don't care one way or the other" types to the donor pool.
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Sun 30 May 2010, 14:42:44

I can't remember the author for sure but; was it Larry Niven who explored where this could go in his Sci Fi works?

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Unread postby davep » Sun 30 May 2010, 17:52:51

I remember the death of our daughter being hugely traumatic. If the state had intervened to whip out her organs beyond our control or her express wishes it would have made a traumatic experience even worse.

it should be purely voluntary, but encouraged.
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Unread postby Tanada » Sun 30 May 2010, 18:23:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', 'I') can't remember the author for sure but; was it Larry Niven who explored where this could go in his Sci Fi works?

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Yes in Larry Niven's Known Space future the Organ Banks became the method of execution used for hardened criminals. This had unforeseen and traumatic effects on society because there are always more people needing transplants than donors available.
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby Pretorian » Sun 30 May 2010, 22:28:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('brixio', 'i')t's a good proposal. what do a dead person do with his liver? let's use it. what's the problem?


Yeah, after all we live in a consumerist society. Lets consume dead people's livers, hearts and kidneys!
I suggest we go on and burrow further in their bodies. Why spend money on burials , it is ridonkoolous! Its already rots for free, but also we can make dogfood from their flesh, brooms from their hair, fertilizer from their bones! Hey if they are fresh we might even make protein tablets for starving humanoids in Africa, they wont care for sure.
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby Pretorian » Mon 31 May 2010, 02:36:59

i forgot to mention leather , sorry. A hide of an average human is 20-30 square feet of perfectly good leather, suit for making wallets, fancy shoes and may be even belts and leather jackets. I'm not sure if tatooes will be beneficial or not though. I would guess a fat American (New Yorker, for sure) will carry even larger hide, plus the fat can be used for making a high-quality soap, candles, or it can be used as a fuel , or as lard for cooking .
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Unread postby timmac » Wed 02 Jun 2010, 00:53:49

Hell Pretorian I think you just found our next resource, human bodies, dead ones that is, I also heard they can make biodiesel with human fat...
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Unread postby Pretorian » Wed 02 Jun 2010, 02:40:53

why bother doing something with it, its good as it is. McDonalds uses beef fat to fry their french fries, well its the same thing. No processing required. Perhaps once its done its job , then it can be used as a bio-diesel.
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Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Wed 02 Jun 2010, 17:51:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'i') forgot to mention leather , sorry. A hide of an average human is 20-30 square feet of perfectly good leather, suit for making wallets, fancy shoes and may be even belts and leather jackets. I'm not sure if tatooes will be beneficial or not though. I would guess a fat American (New Yorker, for sure) will carry even larger hide, plus the fat can be used for making a high-quality soap, candles, or it can be used as a fuel , or as lard for cooking .


Oh my that's just :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 03 Jun 2010, 01:09:19

Great ideas for the use of body parts all!

And just think - the way things are going, we can just have the government kill off folks who do terrible things like express unpopular ideas (pro property rights, for example), and use their wonderful body parts right away, and get them while they're young and healthy!

It worked for Socrates, and look at what a shining example of discipline and morality the modern Greek citizenry has for the world to follow.

(Wow, I think I just had a sarcasm overload...) :badgrin:
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Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 03 Jun 2010, 02:35:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'A')nd just think - the way things are going, we can just have the government kill off folks who do terrible things like express unpopular ideas (pro property rights, for example), and use their wonderful body parts right away, and get them while they're young and healthy!

Actually body parts of government officials fit well for such task.
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby rangerone314 » Thu 03 Jun 2010, 15:50:08

Isn't it funny how people in the government always think that they have a right to coerce people to "do the right thing"?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Most evil in the world has been done by people who thought they were doing the right thing.

Force, dictating, coercion, mandatory-this-and-that, same old story again
An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right

Equals barter and negotiate-people with power just take

You cant defend freedom by eliminating it-unknown

Our elected reps should wear sponsor patches on their suits so we know who they represent-like Nascar-Roy
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Re: We might not have anymore rights soon, even after death

Unread postby gollum » Thu 03 Jun 2010, 17:02:40

From what I read in the article this an "opt out" for those who object.
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