Whats the Friggin Point?

by **stu** » Mon 09 May 2005, 17:04:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'I')n order for this to happen the government has to inform people of PO so that all the subsequent chaos is avoided and people really know whats going on.

by **stu** » Mon 09 May 2005, 17:12:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Permanently_Baffled', 'S')tu

I share your frustration with the "idiots" (aka chavs), but are these people you describe really the majority? Or are they just more visible?

Thats a genuine question, not just me being nieve :-D

PB

by **stu** » Mon 09 May 2005, 17:15:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')The reason I copied that definition is that when cavitation occurs, the propeller is no longer acting against the resistance of the water but the much smaller resistance of the air bubble – IOW; the faster it works the behinder it gets.

by **MicroHydro** » Mon 09 May 2005, 17:59:07

In every time and place, there is truth and beauty. I recall a WWII vet paratrooper describing the what he saw while doing a night jump into a fierce battle. All the colorful explosions were the most visually beautiful thing he had ever seen, even knowing that they represented a death zone that he was about to enter.

Cultivate compassion, serenity, and humour. Life is temporary in any case. Find something to enjoy in every day of life.

by **threadbear** » Mon 09 May 2005, 20:33:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', 'I') am sorry you feel so disheartened Stu.
It's a sad and scary time that we live in.
:cry:

You want me to come down to Southampton and cheer you up? :wink:

by **ubercynicmeister** » Mon 09 May 2005, 20:46:42

Hi Stu...Hi killjoy

Just trying to cheer you up...well, we may all be about to die (HECK, that would happen even if Peak Oil did not occour - there's a quote about how no-one gets out of this life alive) but let's at least be cheerful about it...in a grim sort of fashion.

I am a CONTENTED Cynic, after all.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'H')i, Stu. I grow potatoes, apples & stuff. I raise bees, make maple syrup. I also play the fiddle for fun. I drive a tiny used car and I stay home as much as I can. I can can and preserve most of my own food.

by **Geology_Guy** » Mon 09 May 2005, 21:46:32

The Shoshone and the Blackfeet and the Comanche did just fine without oil and so will the new tribes who will occupy the plains and mountains.

by **Berkeley** » Mon 09 May 2005, 21:56:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ell, The old mountain men did it...and they even had tribes of wild indians trying to scalp them!

by **Liamj** » Tue 10 May 2005, 00:23:35

Whats'a matter Stu, don't you like a challenge? :lol:

Sometimes I try to look at it as an all-in-one entertainment package - theres practical handy stuff to do, metaphysical conundrums to muse, personal conflicts & communication problems to navigate, and plain simple relearning stuff you thought you already knew. Nobody is bored, right? Frantic, frustrated, fedup maybe, but bored, no.

If this was easy it wouldn't be real life. Having engaged with reality, all the substitutes (sport, religion, herd politics, mass media..) just wont cut it.

Remember to pat yourself on the back for having made it this far, give yourself a holiday even, but don't pretend that going back to being another automaton (who believes whatever is easiest) is any kind of choice. You'd have to drug or deaden important parts of yourself, and it would never be worth it, never provide you or those around you with peace. What did Morpheus say about the red pill? 'I only promised you the truth' - thats all we can ask of the world around us, the rest is about, and up to, us.

For me 'right livelihood' still provides a usable meta-plan, i just have to keep making up each days path one/a few steps at a time. Given our rapidly evolving circumstances, i don't think theres any better singular viable plan out there.
(hope my philosophising not too painful, is well intentioned, seemed appropriate)

by **markofthebeats** » Tue 10 May 2005, 04:51:32

the friggin point is: generations from now, when peaceful post-oil societies form, there better be humble people around who - through documents and stories passed down - understand our era and peak oil or it'll just happen again. it will have all been for nothing.

so work on those survival skills and make some babies.

by **Madpaddy** » Tue 10 May 2005, 05:15:35

Stu,

I just want to brighten up your day even more

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/pri ... 328-01.htm

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ee Killer Imperils Crops
A tiny parasite, colloquially known as a 'vampire mite,' is devastating honeybees. That worries experts because honeybee-pollinated crops are valued at more than $15 billion a year.

by Susan Salisbury

More than $15 billion in U.S. crops rides each year on the tiny legs of an insect.

The honeybee is the major carrier of pollen for seeded fruits and just about anything that grows on a vine. Everything, in other words, from apples to zucchini.

"If honeybees ceased to exist, two-thirds of the citrus, all of the watermelons, the blueberries, strawberries, pecans and beans would disappear," said Jerry Hayes, apiary inspection chief with the state's Division of Plant Industry.

But now it's the bee itself that is disappearing.

by **killJOY** » Tue 10 May 2005, 06:18:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n Ireland there was a newspaper article on Sunday which said that by the end of this year all wild honeybee populations will be extinct in Ireland

by **entropyfails** » Tue 10 May 2005, 06:55:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')
Why does the government have to inform people? Why can't people inform people?

by **Pops** » Tue 10 May 2005, 08:29:16

KJ, I wasn’t espousing any “belief system”, merely citing the history of a passage that seems to address stu’s initial post - so rub all you want.

So as not to upset anyone’s sensibilities, let me rephrase my point like this:

You can only do what you can do.

Generic enough?

by **bobaloo** » Tue 10 May 2005, 22:17:00

Sounds like you need a good Mullah Nasrudin story to cheer you up.

Many years ago Mullah Nasrudin was the advisor to a great king. Unfortunately the king died and when the new king was installed he couldn't stand the Mullah. He called him into his palace and sentenced him to death. Mullah Nasrudin told him that if he were to give him but one year the Mullah could teach the new King's horse to fly. The king thought it would be wonderful to have a flying horse, so he agreed, but told Nasrudin that at the end of the year he would be executed if the horse couldn't fly.

After Nasrudin left the palace one of his students came to him and asked him why he had made such a ridiculous offer. Nasrudin replied "In the course of a year, anything can happen. The king could change his mind, he could be overthrown, he could get sick and die. And who knows, maybe the damn horse will learn to fly!"

I think it's very applicable to our situation.

by **Ebyss** » Tue 10 May 2005, 22:54:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n Ireland there was a newspaper article on Sunday which said that by the end of this year all wild honeybee populations will be extinct in Ireland as well as the mite has established itself here since 1998.

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