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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 27 May 2010, 22:09:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'H')ave you never heard of Joel Salatin and the direct marketing approach combined with value added processing? :roll:


They could do that but they don't.

Wheat farmers specialize in growing wheat. They do it so well that they flood the market and keep wheat cheap.
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby dukey » Fri 28 May 2010, 18:27:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')oreover, the start up costs for farming are high. It can cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars to build a large, successful farm.


lol ..
In the uk agricultural land is going for £10k-15k / acre. You'd literally need a million pounds to buy a 100 acre farm, which really is small. That's excluding any live stock, or machinery, or buildings .. etc
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby americandream » Fri 28 May 2010, 19:02:24

Schools exist to create more fodder for the extraction of capitalist surplus, no more, no less.

Now to IQ and race.

Industrialisation being a cultural phenomenon, it is hardly surprising that countries who have embraced the discourse of industral culture (or modernity) whether via capitalism (as in the case of the Anglo-Saxon colonies and the other non Anglo-Saxon states) or Marxist struggle, as in the case of China and the likes of the former USSR and SE Asia, show an ability on the IQ scale, a scale after all which measures performance within that cultural paradigm.

Does this then translate into racial ability? Until the playing field for transition to the above process is an even one and I have evidence that, say, Africa for example, underwent the exact same transition as did China or Japan or any other state, capitalist or formerly Marxist and failed notwithstanding, I am less inclined to the view that IQ values are racially linked.

I can think of a number of reasons why Africa lagged in the transition to modernity and all have to do with capitalist intervention of the magnitude that essentially overwhelmed the attempts of the Marxixts to repeat in Africa what they achieved in China.

In addition, might that we had had a similar set of fortuitous circumstances that saw the rise of an African Japan but Africa as we well know was entirely at the beck and call of the Allied Powers during the various conflicts with Germany so that is largely an academic issue.

However, it must be noted that racism is the last line of defence of the capitalist scallywag and is always there, waiting in the wings in the event of its being required. Hence the proliferation of it's idiotic and half baked ideas even during these times of oh so politically correct liberal capitalism.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('paimei01', 'T')here are no stupid people. This system makes them.



Yes , there are stupid people and there are countless legions of them. Its not like you have IQ of 200 at birth and get dumbed down to 100 ( 70 if you are a Negro and 62 if you are an Australoid) in 10-12 years of schooling. Schools do not exist to dumb people down. Schools exist to keep young people out of employment for as long as possible, to give jobs to teachers and to peddle some local agenda in young people's minds.
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby Cloud9 » Fri 28 May 2010, 21:22:10

Race, politics and religion are here to distract us impotents. While we divide ourselves over these issues, the ruling classes pull the strings that subjugate and impoverish us all. There is not a dimes worth of difference between fascism and communism. Both systems insist on central control of the masses. In the end, all those that refuse to accept the prevailing paradigm wind up on their knees in front of a ditch with a gun to the back of their heads. When the trigger is pulled, the only difference is the size of the hole.

It is possible that the real answer is that there is no answer. Assumptions made by the state may be the grandest form of hubris. Assumptions being what they are quite often are wrong. Under both systems, a committee, a thousand miles away forms a hypothesis about how the system is best served. These faceless bureaucrats would control every facet of our lives.

Before you write off the geezers, I have this bit of caution for you. The older I get, the less I have to lose. Last Tuesday, while the youngsters were firing away at the range, this sixty year old geezer wearing trifocals dropped to one knee and using iron sights, shot three bullets he had cast out of a rifle that is 120 years old into a four inch circle at one hundred yards. Be polite when you come to take what is mine.
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby americandream » Fri 28 May 2010, 21:48:27

Communism as an idea is merely a critical acounting of the tendencies latent in capitalism (which includes divide and rule as a natural function of prteserving privilege) and a suggested alternative, a non-capital centric collectivised modernity, naturally led by wrokers who, by virtue of their role in the process of innovation and wealth creation, are the natural agents for change.

Fascism in contrast, serves narrow, existing and entrenched interests and is quite explicit in its objective.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'R')ace, politics and religion are here to distract us impotents. While we divide ourselves over these issues, the ruling classes pull the strings that subjugate and impoverish us all. There is not a dimes worth of difference between fascism and communism. Both systems insist on central control of the masses. In the end, all those that refuse to accept the prevailing paradigm wind up on their knees in front of a ditch with a gun to the back of their heads. When the trigger is pulled, the only difference is the size of the hole.

It is possible that the real answer is that there is no answer. Assumptions made by the state may be the grandest form of hubris. Assumptions being what they are quite often are wrong. Under both systems, a committee, a thousand miles away forms a hypothesis about how the system is best served. These faceless bureaucrats would control every facet of our lives.

Before you write off the geezers, I have this bit of caution for you. The older I get, the less I have to lose. Last Tuesday, while the youngsters were firing away at the range, this sixty year old geezer wearing trifocals dropped to one knee and using iron sights, shot three bullets he had cast out of a rifle that is 120 years old into a four inch circle at one hundred yards. Be polite when you come to take what is mine.
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 28 May 2010, 22:02:38

This morning at 7:30, my 79-year-old dad was climbing around in the attic of the house he is helping my step-sister remodel. Earlier this week he worked at the charity dental clinic.
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby Cloud9 » Fri 28 May 2010, 22:19:36

I would be the first to agree that communism is beautiful idea. I read Das Kapital before many on this forum were born. Always something gets lost between the dream and reality. The state never seems to wither away. The poor workers never find their paradise. Instead, they find themselves trapped forever in the dictatorship of the proletariat. Hitler murdered because of race, Stalin murdered because of class. In the end, the piles of corpses looked pretty much the same.
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby socrates1fan » Sat 29 May 2010, 00:24:51

First of all, not all old people are disabled and full of health problems. Are they like 20 year olds? No, but many elderly people retain knowledge and skills in things many of us have forgotten, especially in gardening and food preservation. They pass down wisdom and they keep many things alive, without them our society would not be complete. There are older people who are in decent health until the day they die. Old people are not parasites or piles of trouble, they brought us into this world, raised us, and lost their youth so we may prosper so we sort of owe it to them.
As things get harder, I don’t feel we should abandon our elders.
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby americandream » Sat 29 May 2010, 00:33:00

It's an idea that must arise organically and as a consequence of the hell on earth that capitalism will generate. The GOM disaster is the first shot in a downward spiral that will lead to the necessary transition. The survival instinct tends to trump all.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'I') would be the first to agree that communism is beautiful idea. I read Das Kapital before many on this forum were born. Always something gets lost between the dream and reality. The state never seems to wither away. The poor workers never find their paradise. Instead, they find themselves trapped forever in the dictatorship of the proletariat. Hitler murdered because of race, Stalin murdered because of class. In the end, the piles of corpses looked pretty much the same.
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Re: The problem with old people

Unread postby davep » Sat 29 May 2010, 03:15:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')oreover, the start up costs for farming are high. It can cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars to build a large, successful farm.


lol ..
In the uk agricultural land is going for £10k-15k / acre. You'd literally need a million pounds to buy a 100 acre farm, which really is small. That's excluding any live stock, or machinery, or buildings .. etc


Where I live in France it's 2500 Euros per hectare. That's less than 1000 pounds per acre.
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