Listened to a radio show while I worked recently wherein a scientist
(Richard Wrangham - book <Catching Fire>) -
http://www.paulagordon.com/shows/wrangham/ <link for lectures>
remarked about how once humans began to use fire to cook, their
needs for volumes of foodstuffs diminished and they were able to
evolve to walk more upright and undergo the physical evolutions
that are associated with modern humans.
I.E. Burning is what may have been the key to the ascent of man.
Obviously, tapping fossil hydrocarbons to burn was the big kicker
that allowed us to defeat supply and demand of fuel by tapping
stored reserves instead of renewable fuel supplies.
In honor of Mother's Day, here's to the Neanderthal matriarch
who had to defend her mixed species kids to the other
Neanderthal women:
"I know they're scrawny and could use a little hair, but they
are good boys and you ought to see them work with fire.
Here, try a handful of these toasted seeds they gave me
for Mother's day, and you're just in time, we just put a nice
tapir skull on the barbie."
PeakOil is You
THE Neanderthal Thread (merged)
Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans
by efarmer » Sun 09 May 2010, 12:33:27
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans
by leduck » Sun 09 May 2010, 12:54:40
timmac sounds like a Christian fundamnetalist. What is a Christian fundametalist doing on a site like this?
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans
by lper100km » Sun 09 May 2010, 13:58:19
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
We did not evolve from monkeys , all living things are related ,
we simply have somewhere a common ancestor
somewhere we all have a common ancestor with Jack the Ripper and Julius Caesar
we certainly evolved from primitive fishes , like all land vertebrates
What do they teach you in high school ??
We did not evolve from monkeys , all living things are related ,
we simply have somewhere a common ancestor
somewhere we all have a common ancestor with Jack the Ripper and Julius Caesar
we certainly evolved from primitive fishes , like all land vertebrates
What do they teach you in high school ??
My common ancestor is Adam and Eve, and I did not evolved from a fish or a monkey, and the Neanderthals is a fantasy from the Evilution camp..
I’ve never met or seen anyone before who actually believes that they are descended from Adam and Eve. Just about anyone I know, including churchgoing folk, consider it to be an allegorical account. As an allegory, the story is a fanciful construct of creation with the idea of enhancing the concept of a powerful god. Like most allegories, take it at face value only. Once you start to poke below the surface, it falls apart and becomes less than believable, even laughable.
1) It’s inconsistent at best. A god who is capable of instantly creating a wide range of flora and fauna of both sexes but creates only one man in one location from a pile of dirt?
2) Woman is eventually created from a rib and a pile of dirt because god felt sorry for him.
3) Their sons - sons only! - are created in the usual way.
4) Cain is banished but has no difficulty finding a wife. Where the **** did she come from? Could it possibly be that there were other people already living and procreating as usual before A + E? Nowhere does it actually say that A+E are the only people god created, though it is implied. They were singled out for special treatment though in support of some theories about temptation and sin.
If god did not create these other people in the land of Nod, how did they come to exist, even before A+E, or at least, contemporaneously?
Were they created by another god?
Did they just evolve?
Were they human? Maybe they were Neanderthal! Yes, that’s it! I have solved the enigma.
If A+E were the only creations, procreation would involve sinful knowledge (in the biblical sense) of members of the same family. Even the Bible considers that to be off limits. So there could be no descendants of a single pair. (See Noah – but maybe with animals, it’s OK)
The conclusion, as indicated by the biblical reference itself, is that A+E could not have been the original and only source of human existence but simply a side issue in support of doctrinal teaching with male chauvinist overtones.
This is an inconvenient truth that is not taught in Sunday School.
The god theory of creation (as expounded by man) is just too full of illogic to make any sense.
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Re: Neandertals did interbreed with humans
by americandream » Sun 09 May 2010, 18:00:57
Every being subject to time and materiality (the Universe), even our gods in their celestial heavens with their sense of being and values, are ultimately as much a function of time as we are and equally subject to its limits (imperfections as we see them).
Not trying to get metaphysical here but it consequently seems to me that the anything that transcends the Universe must by definition be a composite of it in its entirety, flaws and perfections, ignorance and wisdom, the inferior and the advanced.
Which is why I am an atheist and focussed on the now. It really matters nothing where we are on any evolutionary scale other than to be a matter of degree and an academic issue. Seeking to assume dominion on the basis of perceived advancement, nebulous as that ultimately is in the greater scheme of things, looks like an investment that is likely to cost more than any return it will to make. The state of our planet is a good example.
It's good to know where we come from but lets not get too hubristic in the process. Look at where thats getting us with the bankers and oil companies.
We are from this planet timmac, IMHO, and even if we weren't and are from elsewhere, what does it matter, it's still another corner of a time and material limit.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
We did not evolve from monkeys , all living things are related ,
we simply have somewhere a common ancestor
somewhere we all have a common ancestor with Jack the Ripper and Julius Caesar
we certainly evolved from primitive fishes , like all land vertebrates
What do they teach you in high school ??
Not trying to get metaphysical here but it consequently seems to me that the anything that transcends the Universe must by definition be a composite of it in its entirety, flaws and perfections, ignorance and wisdom, the inferior and the advanced.
Which is why I am an atheist and focussed on the now. It really matters nothing where we are on any evolutionary scale other than to be a matter of degree and an academic issue. Seeking to assume dominion on the basis of perceived advancement, nebulous as that ultimately is in the greater scheme of things, looks like an investment that is likely to cost more than any return it will to make. The state of our planet is a good example.
It's good to know where we come from but lets not get too hubristic in the process. Look at where thats getting us with the bankers and oil companies.
We are from this planet timmac, IMHO, and even if we weren't and are from elsewhere, what does it matter, it's still another corner of a time and material limit.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sparky', '.')
We did not evolve from monkeys , all living things are related ,
we simply have somewhere a common ancestor
somewhere we all have a common ancestor with Jack the Ripper and Julius Caesar
we certainly evolved from primitive fishes , like all land vertebrates
What do they teach you in high school ??
My common ancestor is Adam and Eve, and I did not evolved from a fish or a monkey, and the Neanderthals is a fantasy from the Evilution camp..
I’ve never met or seen anyone before who actually believes that they are descended from Adam and Eve. Just about anyone I know, including churchgoing folk, consider it to be an allegorical account. As an allegory, the story is a fanciful construct of creation with the idea of enhancing the concept of a powerful god. Like most allegories, take it at face value only. Once you start to poke below the surface, it falls apart and becomes less than believable, even laughable.
1) It’s inconsistent at best. A god who is capable of instantly creating a wide range of flora and fauna of both sexes but creates only one man in one location from a pile of dirt?
2) Woman is eventually created from a rib and a pile of dirt because god felt sorry for him.
3) Their sons - sons only! - are created in the usual way.
4) Cain is banished but has no difficulty finding a wife. Where the **** did she come from? Could it possibly be that there were other people already living and procreating as usual before A + E? Nowhere does it actually say that A+E are the only people god created, though it is implied. They were singled out for special treatment though in support of some theories about temptation and sin.
If god did not create these other people in the land of Nod, how did they come to exist, even before A+E, or at least, contemporaneously?
Were they created by another god?
Did they just evolve?
Were they human? Maybe they were Neanderthal! Yes, that’s it! I have solved the enigma.
If A+E were the only creations, procreation would involve sinful knowledge (in the biblical sense) of members of the same family. Even the Bible considers that to be off limits. So there could be no descendants of a single pair. (See Noah – but maybe with animals, it’s OK)
The conclusion, as indicated by the biblical reference itself, is that A+E could not have been the original and only source of human existence but simply a side issue in support of doctrinal teaching with male chauvinist overtones.
This is an inconvenient truth that is not taught in Sunday School.
The god theory of creation (as expounded by man) is just too full of illogic to make any sense.
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