[Ayoob]

I think this is the logical extension of localizing government. Get off the treadmill, do what you want to have done for you. Take control of your own life. Buy your land, build your house, love your woman, raise your kids. Grow your food, raise your food, take control of your food.

Do what you want. Take what you can. Build what you want to have and break that with which you object.

Kill or be killed. Build or be damned. Exist!

This is my last post on this site.

Goodbye.

[Pretorian]

Good post, have a good, long and healthy life Ayoob, 14/88.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I') think this is the logical extension of localizing government. Get off the treadmill, do what you want to have done for you. Take control of your own life. Buy your land, build your house, love your woman, raise your kids. Grow your food, raise your food, take control of your food.

[Ludi]

I think there is some real conflicting information here. You probably need to stay on the treadmill to afford the land and house. At least that has been my experience to some extent. I'm my own treadmill (self-employed). I earned a pile, bought the land, had the house built, and have since reduced my need to earn by moving to said land and house. But there is still a lot to do, much of which seems to require money. So I am trying to find new income streams...

My husband enjoys motorsports, but he also enjoys the land, the house, and the food I grow.

[davep]

Good luck Ayoob.

Hopefully, in two years time, I'll be ready to get off the treadmill for good as well. I'll be ready to spend my time at home with my family, grow our food, experiment with permaculture and no longer be a slave to the system.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'G')ood luck Ayoob.

Hopefully, in two years time, I'll be ready to get off the treadmill for good as well. I'll be ready to spend my time at home with my family, grow our food, experiment with permaculture and no longer be a slave to the system.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')Hopefully, in two years time, I'll be ready to get off the treadmill for good as well..

[ColossalContrarian]

I'm glad this thread was started. My dad is someone who's made $15 an hour for many years in the past. He's now retired but lives in a beautiful house and has plenty of money for a really nice Lexus and a nice motorcycle. He just knows how to save. Saving was impressed upon me my entire life and I still can't do it. I'm too embarrassed to express my $ problems to my dad. He's always lived within his means. He basically eats bagels (day old of-course) and the cheap meat at the grocery store.

I was making more money when I was 19 than he had ever made and I still can't live within my means being 31 now. If my dad went through my bills and noticed how much I eat out and drink he'd go psycho and probably strangle me... Some people are just really good at saving, I envy those who are good with money but expressing $ problems to someone who's good with $ is nearly impossible. It's a complete paradigm shift but asking for help only gets you completely berated and put down, it might be disserved but it doesn't solve the problem I think it makes it worse.

[Ludi]

Saving is a matter of discipline. Some people have a lot of personal discipline, others don't. Spending money is like eating - some people have trouble not over-eating, some people have trouble not over-spending. Both these problems can be solved, but you'd probably need to get someone to help you, because you can't magically generate personal discipline if you don't have it, it has to be learned by practice. What you say about thrifty people berating the non-thrifty, that's just being mean. The word "mean" connotes not only an unpleasant demeanor but also the habits of a tight-wad. Maybe a lot of thrifty people are unpleasant, I don't know. I hope not all of them are.

Thing is, you could be a really disciplined saver and it could disappear overnight.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', 'G')ood luck Ayoob.

Hopefully, in two years time, I'll be ready to get off the treadmill for good as well. I'll be ready to spend my time at home with my family, grow our food, experiment with permaculture and no longer be a slave to the system.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')Hopefully, in two years time, I'll be ready to get off the treadmill for good as well..

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', ' ')The house is paid for, and any local taxes are dependent on income, so we won't have much to pay.

[Ibon]

Good post from Ayoob. Transition starts from this sentiment. The exit he is taking is metaphorical as well as real.

[SteinarN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', ' ')The house is paid for, and any local taxes are dependent on income, so we won't have much to pay.

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', ' ')The house is paid for, and any local taxes are dependent on income, so we won't have much to pay.

[eastbay]

Another very valued and well respected long term member leaving. What a drag. Farewell.

[Ludi]

Our property taxes here in Texas are based on the use of the land as well as the market value of the improvements. If you use your land for agriculture, the tax is based on the potential income you might earn from the endeavor. I don't know how it's actually figured but it is extremely low. Our taxes were basically cut in half when we got agricultural tax status. They're now about $1400, mostly for the house and outbuildings. I don't have the tax breakdown right in front of me. Our total improvements are valued at about $100,000 (1500 sq ft house, 192 sq ft workshop, various outbuildings). The tax is mostly school tax, which is quite high here. We have to pay for our high school football program, after all! County tax is pretty low, as we don't get much in the way of services.

[AAA]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')Yes, but you get a reduction based on your previous year's earnings. When we declared no earnings we paid about 10% of the tax.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '
')California is again talking about repealing Prop 13

[davep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')Yes, but you get a reduction based on your previous year's earnings. When we declared no earnings we paid about 10% of the tax.