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Re: US drinking water is toxic, public too brain damaged to care

Unread postby Jotapay » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 11:39:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'K')eep in mind everyone reacts differently to chemicals/toxins, so some people might feel just fine drinking toxic city water, whereas others will show signs of poisoning (such as fatigue and lethargy). 8O Some people are so sensitive to toxic chemicals they can barely function in the modern world at all, but most people will fall somewhere in between just fine and non-functional. Considering the enormous load of toxins most people are exposed to now (which we aren't adapted to), it's no wonder so many people have symptoms of depression, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, etc. :(


Regarding the topics in what you just wrote, my brother has been looking into the other side of this while I studied the water issue. He's been looking into the toxins in our soaps, plastics, etc. After I sent him an email that the water dehumidifier/filter was set up and producing, he emailed me back with this info:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('My brother', 'L')ast month I cleaned out all of the harmful chemicals in our house and replaced with simple natural products. Chemicals in the 20th century are what pathogens were to our health in the 19th century. The government, especially US, does not protect us from these toxins. I am particularly weary of the gender bending ubiquitous parabens, pthalates, BPA's and such. I wish I would have known about these estrogen like chemicals when [his son] was most vulnerable to them. Here is a very useful database where you can look up most of your personal products.

EWG Home | Environmental Working Group

The whole foods brand of personal products and foods is pretty good. You won't get preservatives, GMO, gender benders, toxins, and it is very affordable.

This is all a little behind the curve though, b/c this century the health threats are mainly from genetic engineering. The chemical companies like Monsanto have been transitioning from chemicals to bioengineering. You don't need chemicals as much with genetically engineered products that can produce chemicals themselves. The food that we eat will be able to produce unnatural chemicals from DNA that then go into our bodies.
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Re: US drinking water is toxic, public too brain damaged to care

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 11:44:29

I see toxic chemicals and GMO as equal threats. :(
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Re: US drinking water is toxic, public too brain damaged to care

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 11:55:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') see toxic chemicals and GMO as equal threats. :(

I'm thinking of the schools in my area that shale gas revenue has
built.

Like the Romans and their bath houses, eh?
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Re: US drinking water is toxic, public too brain damaged to care

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 12:51:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I') was also concerned about hormones and prescription drugs in the Austin water supply, not just TDS and metals.

I'm not too familiar with the area but looking at a map where does Austin source most of its water from? I suspect groundwater but in general is that not all flowing towards the Mississippi basin in a southerly direction? I know parts of the Mississippi get quite disgusting to look at and that was 20 years ago. It's why the numbers were higher just based on location and surrounding industry was was I was thinking. Some ground water supplies are far superior to others as you were mentioning, lots of useless eaters go down to bad water before anything else for sure :)
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Re: US drinking water is toxic, public too brain damaged to care

Unread postby Homesteader » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 12:53:32

Another good thing to do is get glass cooking pots. The stainless steel pots and utensils, epecially those from china have heavy metals in them. Those black nylon kitchen utensils when heated, like stirring a pot or flipping an egg, are very bad. Go with wood cooking utensils.

black nylon: http://blog.seattlepi.com/naturalnotes/ ... 169905.asp

stainless steel:

"Abstract Stainless steels are widely used materials in food preparation and in home and commercial cookware. Stainless is readily attacked by organic acids, particularly at cooking temperatures; hence iron, chromium, and nickel should be released from the material into the food."

Link: http://www.springerlink.com/content/t64638657362479h/

Le Creuset is good stuff, not cheap, but lead free. The same can't be said for the stuff from china.


use glassware to for food storage.
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Re: US drinking water is toxic, public too brain damaged to care

Unread postby pablonite » Sat 23 Jan 2010, 15:02:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Homesteader', 'A')nother good thing to do is get glass cooking pots.

Glass and wood are always safe bets with food storage and handling. I agree about turfing the Chinese kitchen if it's even possible now.

I think each and every case is unique with regards to exposure to toxins, GMO's and Chinese products in the environment so the threat level depends a lot on luck, wrong place at the wrong time and what not but much can be done to reduce the threat no doubt.

GM and bio-engineering is sure getting interesting, the lobby groups now are strong, easily ovethrowing any regulations on the industry. The big picture won't sort itself out for awhile yet because some of the bio-engineering going on is creating new lifeforms. Lifeforms at the micro biological level capable of evolving. Spooky when you think about it! The other question for sure is how do our bodies respond to ingesting GMO's? all of this hidden behind a veil of patents, armies of lawyers...we might be deep into something rotten but who knows really.
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What is in the water ?

Unread postby dukey » Fri 12 Mar 2010, 08:49:51

Hilarious, as if water fluoridation wasn't ridiculous enough. The stuff they have apparently been buying from china, won't dissolve in the water and they have no clue what it is, yet declare it safe.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')epartment of Public Works Director Rob Desmarais said after he mixes the white powder with water, 40 percent of it will not dissolve.

"I don't know what it is," Desmarais said. "It's not soluble, and it doesn't appear to be sodium fluoride. So we are not quite sure what it is."

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has received 1,000 complaints, but also says it's safe. Testing continues to determine the precise composition of the residue.


http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/22 ... etail.html

Interestingly they are using sodium fluoride not sodium hexafluorosilicate. Sodium fluoride used to be used as rat poison.

I took a screenshot of the video on the webpage just for hilarity. Check out what it says they are adding to your water.

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It's amazing what you retards will allow to be done to you.
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby jupiters_release » Fri 12 Mar 2010, 16:04:26

:lol:

Nice find Dukey. Do they not fluoridate in the UK too though?
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby dinopello » Fri 12 Mar 2010, 16:39:53

The article basically says "we don't know what that white powder from China is that we have been putting in the water, but we know it is safe."
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby Serial_Worrier » Fri 12 Mar 2010, 17:47:04

Fortunately the tap water in the Pacific Northwest is pretty high quality. I use a filter, but even then not necessary. More for taste, I don't like chlorine. But I weep for Easterners.
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby dukey » Fri 12 Mar 2010, 20:37:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', ':')lol:

Nice find Dukey. Do they not fluoridate in the UK too though?


In a few places they do. But the majority isn't fluoridated. We phoned up our water authority to check, and they said they didn't need to because it already occurred naturally in the water. What what occurs naturally is calcium fluoride and it's harmless. It's harmless because its totally insoluble in water.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')luorides are toxic to humans, however CaF2 is considered relatively harmless due to its extreme insolubility. The situation is analogous to BaSO4, where the toxicity normally associated with Ba2+ is offset by the very low solubility of its sulfate derivative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_fluoride#Safety
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby pablonite » Fri 12 Mar 2010, 22:28:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '
')http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_fluoride#Safety
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', ':')lol:

Nice find Dukey. Do they not fluoridate in the UK too though?


In a few places they do. But the majority isn't fluoridated. We phoned up our water authority to check, and they said they didn't need to because it already occurred naturally in the water. What what occurs naturally is calcium fluoride and it's harmless. It's harmless because its totally insoluble in water.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')luorides are toxic to humans, however CaF2 is considered relatively harmless due to its extreme insolubility. The situation is analogous to BaSO4, where the toxicity normally associated with Ba2+ is offset by the very low solubility of its sulfate derivative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_fluoride#Safety

I would take anything regarding this from wiki with a grain of salt, especially if you are not a chemistry major and check out at least one other source for your information. Fluorine is the deadliest element in the periodic table next to the radioactive elements and will react with pretty much anything. There is much we don't know about the toxicity of fluorides and it is quite insane to be adding them to the water supply in any case. Unfortunately there is no way to filter them out, your only option is to move away from a water supply that is also used for dumping toxic waste from industry. :lol:
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 13 Mar 2010, 06:42:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', 'F')ortunately the tap water in the Pacific Northwest is pretty high quality.


Very little water is not fluoridated today, what small town are you in?
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby highlander » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 18:04:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', '
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I would take anything regarding this from wiki with a grain of salt, especially if you are not a chemistry major and check out at least one other source for your information. Fluorine is the deadliest element in the periodic table next to the radioactive elements and will react with pretty much anything. There is much we don't know about the toxicity of fluorides and it is quite insane to be adding them to the water supply in any case. Unfortunately there is no way to filter them out, your only option is to move away from a water supply that is also used for dumping toxic waste from industry. :lol:


Fluorine is not flouride. Where do you get the idea that it is the deadliest element.
Try Thallium for starters. As for filtering them out, most fluorides are soluble, so they cannot be filtered, but there is distillation and reverse osmosis.

I'm not defending using fluoride as an additive, just nit-picking. I agree re-use of treated municipal wastewater is a reason to find your own place with a deep well.
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby pablonite » Sun 21 Mar 2010, 10:11:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', '
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I would take anything regarding this from wiki with a grain of salt, especially if you are not a chemistry major and check out at least one other source for your information. Fluorine is the deadliest element in the periodic table next to the radioactive elements and will react with pretty much anything. There is much we don't know about the toxicity of fluorides and it is quite insane to be adding them to the water supply in any case. Unfortunately there is no way to filter them out, your only option is to move away from a water supply that is also used for dumping toxic waste from industry. :lol:


Fluorine is not flouride. Where do you get the idea that it is the deadliest element.
Try Thallium for starters. As for filtering them out, most fluorides are soluble, so they cannot be filtered, but there is distillation and reverse osmosis.

I'm not defending using fluoride as an additive, just nit-picking. I agree re-use of treated municipal wastewater is a reason to find your own place with a deep well.

It is the most chemically reactive element in the periodic table. Fluorine gas is deadlier than Chlorine gas. Fluoride ions are toxic and you better know what you are doing if you start handling a lot of fluoride compounds. It's like messing around with the radioactive area of the table, I say go right ahead - but do it on your own time far away from me and don't dump any of that crap in my water supply thanks.

So much of this stuff is industrial waste(or a by product of industry), it's a big red flag when they start looking for things to do with it because nobody in the know wants it in their back yard.

Unbelievable this much of the world is "ingesting" fluorides to fight tooth decay! It could go far to explain why we are living in the world we do.:shock:
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Re: What is in the water ?

Unread postby jbrovont » Sun 21 Mar 2010, 12:15:03

It appears the Chineese have found something to do with it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')So much of this stuff is industrial waste(or a by product of industry), it's a big red flag when they start looking for things to do with it because nobody in the know wants it in their back yard.


A close read of that article indicates that officials believe "Chineese flouride" is safe, but they stop short of saying this particular chemical compound in question is safe (it's not sodium flouride) and the NSF says it has never certified that particular product.
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