[mcgowanjm]

I thought that's what the West Bank was.

[eastbay]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_ ... an_corpses

The Israeli's won't be turning anyone into soap. It's never been done in camps before and it won't in the future. It's a tale of silly folklore and exaggeration, like so many other tales of war throughout history.

And yes, the West Bank is already a self governing work camp.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')uropean Union ministers have called for Jerusalem to serve as the capital of both Israel and a future Palestinian state as part of a negotiated peace.
The foreign ministers dropped an earlier reference stating explicitly that East Jerusalem should be the capital of a Palestinian state.
Palestinians welcomed the statement. Israel said it contained "nothing new".

[Tyler_JC]

And what happens to the Israeli settlements?

There are half a million Israelis living in Palestinian territory. Are they to be forcibly removed? Incorporated into Palestine?

Until the world has some kind of reasonable answer to that question, a two state solution will be impossible.



As it stands, there isn't enough Palestine left to build a country.

[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s it stands, there isn't enough Palestine left to build a country.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'A')nd what happens to the Israeli settlements?

[hermit]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'B')est case scenario for a Middle East: a massive asteroid about to hit the Earth breaks apart over the Middle East and shatters into thousands of smaller pieces, and flattens the Middle East from Morocco to Pakistan.

Of course the survivors would probably continue the fight from the rubble.

[crude_intentions]

I'm going to stir up a fire, but this is starting to turn into a John Grisham novel.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Israel harvested organs in ’90s without consent
Military confirms informal practice, claims it ‘does not happen anymore’

JERUSALEM - Israel has admitted that in the 1990s, its forensic pathologists harvested organs from dead bodies, including Palestinians, without permission of their families.

The issue emerged with publication of an interview with the then-head of Israel's Abu Kabir forensic institute, Dr. Jehuda Hiss. The interview was conducted in 2000 by an American academic, who released it because of a huge controversy last summer over an allegation by a Swedish newspaper that Israel was killing Palestinians in order to harvest their organs. Israel hotly denied the charge.

Parts of the interview were broadcast on Israel's Channel 2 TV over the weekend. In it, Hiss said, "We started to harvest corneas ... Whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family." Link

[rangerone314]

Surprise, surprise, NOT! And yet again...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Friedrich Nietzsche', 'T')he man who fights too long against dragons becomes a dragon himself.

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rab voices were fanning Middle East war fever Wednesday night, Feb. 3. DEBKAfile's military sources report that not only are Syrian leaders beating war drums - Syrian foreign minister Walid Muallem said in Damascus: "Israelis, do not test the power of Syria since you know the war will move into your cities" - but Egyptian military sources have put out information purporting to outline Israel's preparations to strike Iran.
They report that the Israeli Navy together with the US Fifth Fleet have for some weeks been charting Persian Gulf waters and Iranian shorelines in preparation for attacks by Israeli naval and special operations forces.
IDF intelligence and special forces officers, they also say, have been marking out routes for their air and ground forces to drive into Iran and hit its nuclear installations.
According to these Egyptian sources, Saudi Arabia has demanded clarifications from Washington about reported US-assisted Israeli preparations to strike Iran and asks why they were not brought to the notice of Riyadh and the Gulf Arab governments.
The Saudis added that several Gulf intelligence and naval units had tracked Israeli movements and gathered documentary evidence.
Some of this information was leaked in Cairo Wednesday night to Shorouk, a publication which Egyptian intelligence often uses as an outlet for information held to be credible.
Shorouk was first out with the story of the Israeli Air Force attack on Iranian arms convoys in Sudan in January 2009.

[EndOfGrowth]

Related article--

US Sends Ships and Missiles to the Gulf, Raises Stakes On Iran


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ja ... siles-gulf

This could get interesting

[Roy]

I've got a case of "Israel is REALLY going to attack Iran THIS TIME" fatigue.

Debka frequently posts articles that seem to center around scaring the Iranians and getting the Israeli people and their sympathizers worldwide to support what I think would be a very foolish move with disastrous consequences for the world economy, and the US in particular.

Part of me hopes that they don't do it... there is no need for so many more innocent people to perish.

Yet, a selfish part of me wants it to happen, so that the consequences for Americans will (hopefully) serve as a giant 2x4 to the head of the sleep walking American public. I'm prepared for that outcome or at least reasonably so, yet so many are not.

I've studied this issue in great detail from many different angles, yet every scenario I can imagine has a poor outcome for the US and possibly other oil importing countries.

I have yet to see any news presentation that talks about the possible consequences and the knock-on effects. Rather, the media presents the issue as imminent doom for Israel -- another holocaust-- without immediate action by the US and Israel to neuter the Iranian threat.

Iran doesn't have us surrounded. On the contrary, we have their country surrounded by powerful military forces in an offensive posture. Why wouldn't they be paranoid?

If there were a serious discussion of the potential consequences, including disruption of the oil markets and radioactive fallout drifting into neighboring countries, I think people would realize the folly of the 'attack Iran' strategy.

It's pretty obvious to me why the western media is only telling one side of the story. Reminiscent of the build up to our invasion of Iraq.

My 2¢

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '
')Iran doesn't have us surrounded. On the contrary, we have their country surrounded by powerful military forces in an offensive posture. Why wouldn't they be paranoid?

[Roy]

Mos I appreciate your input.

I knew my post would draw you out. LOL

Now to address your comments:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')oy wrote:
Iran doesn't have us surrounded. On the contrary, we have their country surrounded by powerful military forces in an offensive posture. Why wouldn't they be paranoid?


MOS wrote: B.S. Iran has been given every opportunity to ratchet down tensions. There is no excuse for their behavior.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '
')Have you looked at a map of the middle east lately and mentally noted where US forces are located in relation to Iran?

[gollum]

Israel or Iran, Muslim or jew- Both sides have been so aggressive the past fifty years I think maybe they need to blow the hell out of each other and get it out of their system. I just don't want the USA involved on either side.

[gollum]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '
')If there were a serious discussion of the potential consequences, including disruption of the oil markets and radioactive fallout drifting into neighboring countries, I think people would realize the folly of the 'attack Iran' strategy.

[mattduke]

They conspired to kill him in his hotel room. They used fake British, German, French, and Irish passports. They made it look like natural causes. They left a do not disturb sign on the door.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 034933.ece

[mos6507]

Cry me a river.

[lowem]

The plot sounds very Jason Bourne-ish.
Except Bourne would have done it alone.