[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')That's fine. She can worry about it. But you seem to think I should worry about it for her?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')But I am not going to pretend that warlordism and zombies aren't going to occur in a great many (if not the majority of population centers) post-peak just because I found what I think is my own personal sanctuary.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', ' ')You're a cheeky bastard to proffer how 7 billion people should live their lives.

[efarmer]

Small, efficient, local, redundant, nodes that network into a larger mesh seems to be
the self repairing and sustainable path of the future.

Systems that demand centralized planning and power get corrupt and rotten and
leave people without the means to stabilize and achieve performance in their own
immediate environs. The centralized power also attracts and promotes all of the
worst traits of humanity because it is the point of leverage. Capitalism, Royalism,
Communism (both Roho and Verde) when centralized are proven failures.

I believe we need to embrace what people can do locally and now and lash it up
into a large raft that floats.

[Last_Historian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'I')t has everything to do with it. My suspicion was that you know nothing about how the world and people exist in reality. Ad hom deleted.
What communist countries have you visited from where you draw your experience for this discussion?

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'N')arz is about 23/ post modernist/ doesn't believe in terminism.

[pablonite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'O')ur current govt. is letting Walmart, Exxon, McDonalds, Phizer & LoReal tell people what to believe & what is right behavior. Do you really think a more socialist system would be much worse?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')here is little point in listing what I've read since you get a list of pretty much every major work offered by the collapse / peak oil / warmist people.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', ' ')Most people would be repulsed by the idea of a green communism and yet the parallels to the "global warming" movement are eerily familiar.

[Last_Historian]

It's partly my fault in not explaining the concept and real issues well enough. I'm currently writing up a clarifying post on my blog which I'll report to here.

[mos6507]

Last Historian, I'd like to see you rewrite your manifesto in terms that the layman can understand. As it is now, it comes across like a doctoral thesis and that's not the sort of thing that would ever win you mainstream support. Nate on The Oil Drum also does this quite often. He makes a point that could be expressed in a one-line aphorism, and blows it out into a sprawling college-speak epic. Try to distill your points down to a few core convictions.

[mos6507]

Here is an example of explaining some of these issues in an accessible way.

[pablonite]

Green Communism?
http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/01/ ... communism/
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is to be Done?

One idea would be to look at the manifesto of the Collapse Party!, whose goals, essentially, are to ascertain and pursue the optimal road to Green Communism out of those presented above. It is quoted below in full:

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', ' ') * use the remaining high-EROEI fossil fuel stocks in a crash program to build as large a nuclear and renewable energy infrastructure as possible.
* clean up radioactive and toxic installations while we still have the technologies and resources to do so.

[SeaGypsy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') * general debt amnesty to wipe the slate clean and start from Year Zero in our quest for sustainability.

[pablonite]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')here do you "clean up" radioactive waste to, anyway? There is no plan for radioactive waste, just to put it out of sight somewhere and hope it doesn't cause trouble. And I guess folks want to make even more of it, as fast as possible!The "resources" to deal with these problems in even a half-assed manner are probably already gone, at least in the US, which is bankrupt.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pablonite', '
')Fear seems to be the prime driver behind these dangerous manifestos.

[Stonemason]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'W')hy would that surprise you? Why change unless there is some threat to continuing BAU?

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stonemason', 'T')hreat to whom?

[Last_Historian]

http://www.sublimeoblivion.com/2010/01/ ... tatorship/

New post on "Ecotechnic Dictatorship is Our Last Hope of Averting Collapse". Read it now your life depends on it.