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Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Stonemason » Tue 02 Feb 2010, 02:41:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'T')here is no such thing as "natural humans" or "natural governments".
What is a natural human? Why doesn't it exist?-
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Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Pretorian » Tue 02 Feb 2010, 03:37:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Last_Historian', '
')Did you know that the majority of Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Bulgarians, and most other peoples of the former socialist bloc - especially older people who actually lived under the socialist system - indicate that they prefer it to capitalism?
')Did you know that the majority of Russians, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Bulgarians, and most other peoples of the former socialist bloc - especially older people who actually lived under the socialist system - indicate that they prefer it to capitalism?
Aside of this statement in general being another horseshit, we can dig a bit to the original half-true, granted gloves arent expensive. There are indeed some people that miss 2-hour lines to buy cow bones with some meat on them, 8 year long lines to buy a car and 15 year long lines to get a phone line.
90% of them will fit into 2 types of people:
1) young inexperienced ones that had never made those lines, but do remember cheap ice-cream , patriotic songs and shiny uniforms; I would guess LH is (was) one of them before his parents yanked him out of a Socialist paradise to the West, while showing a finger to the Israel where they were supposed to go.
2) As LH said , some old people. First of all thats because during Socialist era they were young, attractive, healthy and important to some degree. Now they are old, ugly, sick and meaningless, and often unwanted even by their immediate family.. Who is ever going to like this? Where are the old people
who like to be old, show me when you'll find one.
Secondly of course lets not forget that Communist and Komsomol "elite" had wiped out their savings and smacked them with $1-2-5 dollar pensions in the early 90s.
Overall the elections do show some nostalgia about the past, for example on the last elections in that region Communist party got a healthy 3.54% of the vote ( without winning in any region, obviously) and "Socialist" party (specifically marketed for soviet union lovers) got 0.38% of the vote.
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Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Jotapay » Tue 02 Feb 2010, 10:07:53
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Last_Historian', '1'). Normally I would agree, and I did as late as a year back. Now I don't because state intervention is needed on a massive scale to force the system back from collapse. Said state intervention will lower real living standards, and there'll be a need to cushion the fall; otherwise, the people will turn against the new system.
2. Now do you support the death penalty? Since you seem to be very proud of Texas I presume yes, at least for murderers, etc.
3. And in a future of limits to growth, the entire world will become poor.
4. Why did you leave out other experts in this department, such as Hitler, the British Empire, etc?
2. Now do you support the death penalty? Since you seem to be very proud of Texas I presume yes, at least for murderers, etc.
3. And in a future of limits to growth, the entire world will become poor.
4. Why did you leave out other experts in this department, such as Hitler, the British Empire, etc?
1. You still assume that the government can effect good solutions. I don't think the government has ever shown that ability. The government consistently proves to be inefficient and corrupt. I think small communities of like-minded individuals will fare best in the future. That is the extent of government that I am willing to endorse.
2. The way that the death penalty is prosecuted in the USA, no, I am very, very much against it. The reason is because the judicial system is completely corrupt and innocent people are undoubtedly killed for crimes that they didn't commit. However, in theory, I have no problem killing someone who actually raped a child or murdered another person. The application of justice is never as perfect as it is envisioned in theory, however.
3. That seems logical and natural if we are to live a balanced life with nature. You were made no promises when you were born into this world, especially that you would not be poor.
4. Good point. I suppose the USA was pretty efficient killing Native Americans in their concentration camps and African slaves as well.
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Re: Politics: We need to embrace Green Communism
by Olaf » Tue 02 Feb 2010, 10:21:59
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he people will be able to observe trials and electronically vote on criminals’ punishments.
I think this sounds like one of the worst ideas ever and that your theories lack a basis in reality.
What will you call it? 'Criminal Idol' perhaps?
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