[Novus]

Terrorism for the most part is a red herring perpetrated by the powers that be to consolidate power and remove personal freedoms. It is also being used as a pretext to get the people behind the ongoing resource wars. There is no real dealing with terrorism as it does not really exist in the context that is being played off in the media. Terrorism is a tactic of coercion much like torture is a tactic of coercion. The first part of dealing with this type of coercion is to stop believing in the lies and become educated in the truth. For the first casualty in war is the truth. The illegal resource wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are only allowed to continue because the people have been fooled by the propaganda that it is all part of the war on terrorism. There is no terrorist connection between Iraq and 9/11. Bin-laden had closer ties to the CIA then he did to the Taliban in Afghanistan. The flight 253 under pants bomber had connections to the Mossad and banking cartels. Once again terrorism lies are being used to restrict personal freedom and distract the public from the expanding war and economic depression.

The best way to fight the darkness of terrorism is to fight it with the light of the truth. The light vanquish any shadow as the truth disproves any lie. So if you really want to fight terrorism educate yourself in the truth and don't be an ignorant sheep when it comes to propaganda.

There you have it.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '
')To really combat 'terrorism'

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')The first part of dealing with this type of coercion is to stop believing in the lies and become educated in the truth.

[highlander]

I would say you need a proper definition of terrorism first.
Is terrorism a state threat (e.g .war on terror, war on drugs, war on poverty)
Is terrorism a personal threat ( will you die at the hands of a terrorist of in a car wreck at the hand of a drunken politician)
Is terrorism a religious threat (convert or die infidel)
Is terrorism a secular threat (sorry lonewolf, I'm picking on you here) Some people have deep seated beliefs that are not subject to bribes or threats. To dismiss their beliefs out of hand as ignorant is to underestimate the tenacity of faith. When everything is negotiable, nothing is sacred or inalienable. There is then no basis for a culture/civilization.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '
')Can we deal with tribal peoples in a way that respects them and
keeps them intact in the transaction or do we crush them to get at
whatever tyrant they suffer under, desired resource they have in proximity, and essentially approach it from the viewpoint of
our lifestyle being superior and valid, and theirs not.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he United States Department of Justice delivered a very clear and unfortunate message on Friday:

“Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism. While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country.”

These remarks were released by the US Attorney’s office in the western district of North Carolina following the conviction of one Bernard von NotHaus, the creator of the ill-fated Liberty Dollar.

As you likely recall from a few years ago, Liberty Dollars were privately minted gold and silver rounds. Paper certificates, akin to warehouse receipts were also issued, effectively giving the bearer a right to claim a certain amount of gold or silver at the group’s warehouse in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.

This is traditionally how the system of money used to function– precious metals would be stored in private, secure storage facilities, and paper certificates were issued as a medium of exchange that entitled the bearer to redeem metal from the vault. Liberty Dollars represented a return to that system.

Clearly, the Justice Department feels otherwise… instead viewing these silver rounds as an attempt by terrorists to undermine the US dollar.

Interesting choice of words. Undermine? “verb [transitive]. to erode the base or foundation of something. to damage or weaken, especially gradually. ”

Funny, this sounds a lot more like quantitative easing than anything else. Ben Bernanke, in creating trillions of new dollars and debasing the value thereof, is guilty of the same insidious acts, and similarly, he represents a clear and present danger to the economic stability of the United States.

Somehow, though, I doubt that Homeland Security chief Janet Napolitano or Attorney General Eric Holder will end up labeling Mr. Bernanke as a domestic terrorist.

Von NotHaus faces up to 15 years in prison on one count and 5 years on two others. Punitively, this is more serious than engaging in female genital mutilation (5-years, section 116 of Title 18, US Code), certain types of assault (as little as six months, section 113), or, ironically, bank robbery (10-years, section 2113b).

The US government obviously has its priorities straight.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-us-justice-department-logic-bernanke-domestic-terrorist

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '
')The "Liberty Dollar" stuff was never a serious threat to Federal Reserve notes.. 15 years in prison seems rather harsh. And come on, is it really necessary to label Tea Party gold and silver bugs "domestic terrorists."

[steam_cannon]

It's too bad. I think diversifying our real life currency basket and expanding peoples choices would provide greater economic stability and strength for our economy, though mostly all on a personal level and that wouldn't provide any benefit to the government.

There is a growing perception that the US government is becoming like a leach, providing benefit disproportionally to the wealthy then the average person. Whether that is true or not; presently the way it is right now in the US, people are forced to use the US dollar and banks that pay no interest. Bernanke can run the printing presses and the government can take debt out in our names with no threat on US soil. Understandably, these kind of things are hard to swallow for some of the team. So I can see why a currency like the Liberty Dollar had started gaining acceptance.

I wonder what effect this decision will have on other local or state currencies. I expect the PTB will continue clamping down on other stores of wealth too.

Oh well. Stay warm people, it looks like a bit more of winter is on it's way.

[nobodypanic]

anytime you threaten the sovereignty of a state... well you can expect very harsh punitive measures. attempting to usurp the power granted to the feds of coining money is a shot across the bow. they have responded. and you can bet that they wanted to send a signal to all those red-neck, state's rights loons who are flirting with & boosting the idea of getting their states on alternative currencies.

[PrestonSturges]

Calling something a "dollar" is like building a go-cart track and calling it "Disneyland." Good luck with that.

There's no reason they could not proof and sell silver ingots and barter them without calling them "dollars."

Besides, calling it a "dollar" is stupid anyway. It's so stupid I can't even come up with an analogy to describe how stupid that is, which is something of a specialty of mine. It's so stupid it almost transcends stupidity into something Zen-like.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')here's no reason they could not proof and sell silver ingots and barter them without calling them "dollars."

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nobodypanic', 'r')ed-neck, state's rights loons who are flirting with & boosting the idea of getting their states on alternative currencies.

[PrestonSturges]

The US has no copyright on the word "dollar,"

Here's the "Canadian Tire Dollar coin."

http://www.thestar.com/business/article ... ollar-coin

But in the US calling something a "dollar" implies that it is a product of the US Mint along with the Saccajaweea and Susan B. Anthony dollars.

Heck, they gave minor hassles to the artist who draws money (like with a felt tip marker on a napkin) and barters the art for goods.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'T')he "Liberty Dollar" stuff was never a serious threat to Federal Reserve notes.. 15 years in prison seems rather harsh. And come on, is it really necessary to label Tea Party gold and silver bugs "domestic terrorists."

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I') think you underestimate the threat liberty dollars represented to the fed.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'H')eck, they gave minor hassles to the artist who draws money (like with a felt tip marker on a napkin) and barters the art for goods.

[Cloud9]

So I guess this makes the Magic Kingdom a terrorist organization.

http://disneydollars.net/

[mattduke]

Bernard von NotHaus, US political prisoner.

http://www.gadaily.com/index.php/opinio ... -terrorism

[timmac]

What gets me is how much time he got, I heard 15 years.

Was watching a program today about a guy who counterfeited the $100 bill, 1st time he was caught it was throwing out of Federal court on a technicality, 2nd time he was caught he got 3 years and 3rd time he was caught he got 7 years and he made and spent over 2 million dollars with his counterfeit $100 bills and is to be released in 2015.

But a guy tries to make real gold back currency and he is a Terrorist, this makes me sick and sad, this country is fallen into Communist/Islamic state day by day..

[PrestonSturges]

A name like "Van Nut House" doesn't really inspire confidence.....I'm just sayin'......