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Unread postby Aqua-Teen » Fri 18 Feb 2005, 05:15:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Geology_Guy', 'I') think they got the robot's name wrong- shouldn't they be called "Terminators"?


Can also, different movie. But first, they must build SkyNet, lol :lol:


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*SPOILER ALERT*
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You might know this already & I might not have it totally correct, but....
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Skynet is already built.

Skynet = a Program/The Internet

What we are really waiting for is Skynet in the future to send it's ULTRA Top of the Line Norwegian Super Model Terminator Model [smilie=inlove.gif] back to our time. Then She will hack into the world wide web & unleash a Super computer virus that infects & takes control of the entire internet. Later we find out that virus is really Skynet!! :shock:


Skynet is really a program & just needs to be downloaded onto your PC, for all we know he could already be there. 8O

On the bright side, peak oil won't matter anymore. :P
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Unread postby GD » Fri 18 Feb 2005, 06:16:05

Will it come online when Arnie is prez? :lol:
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Unread postby k_semler » Fri 18 Feb 2005, 16:13:21

NetSky A,B,C,and D already came and went, with no effect on me.:) To think, AVG 7.0 Free Edition can combat a "futuristic" virus bent on destroying the world :lol: Cool.
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Pentagon Claims Military May Not Be Able to Handle Conflicts

Unread postby TheSupplyGuy » Tue 03 May 2005, 06:40:18

In the long run, men hit only what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.-Thoreau
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Unread postby killJOY » Tue 03 May 2005, 07:37:12

Oh, this is just fabulous....

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Unread postby bart » Tue 03 May 2005, 07:49:26

The news itself doesn't seem to be a surprise. I do wonder what the dynamics are between Pres. Bush and the military. Bush seemed to be saying, No problem! The military seems to be saying, Yes - problem.

Juan Cole has a blog entry about this. (And he doesn't require registration!)

I've found that it's hard to keep up with the news without registering for the NY Times, the LA Times, the Sacramento Bee and a few others.

Once I registered, the process was painless. Registration is free.
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Unread postby satjeet » Tue 03 May 2005, 07:53:46

Here's the beginning of it:

ASHINGTON, May 2 - The concentration of American troops and weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan limits the Pentagon's ability to deal with other potential armed conflicts, the military's highest ranking officer reported to Congress on Monday.

The officer, Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, informed Congress in a classified report that major combat operations elsewhere in the world, should they be necessary, would probably be more protracted and produce higher American and foreign civilian casualties because of the commitment of Pentagon resources in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A half dozen Pentagon civilian and military officials were discussing the outlines of the report on Monday as it was being officially delivered to Congress; one government official provided a copy to The New York Times. The officials who discussed the assessment demanded anonymity because it is a classified document.

General Myers cited reduced stockpiles of precision weapons, which were depleted during the invasion of Iraq, and the stress on reserve units, which fulfill the bulk of combat support duties in Iraq, as among the factors that would limit the Pentagon's ability to prevail as quickly as war planners once predicted in other potential conflicts.
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Unread postby BiGG » Tue 03 May 2005, 08:09:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'O')h, this is just fabulous....

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Newspapers nationwide are losing subscribers faster than Joan Rivers can chase down the next plastic surgeon and sensationalist headlines that have zero to do with anything are all the rage it seems. That article is just selling newspapers as it really says nothing at all …

The only relevant quote one needs from that article is …..In an upbeat final paragraph, General Myers told Congress that the armed forces "remain the most professional, best trained, and best equipped military in the world.

"Our ability to project power, anywhere in the world, remains second to none," he added. "The dedication, commitment, and sacrifice of the men and women of our Armed Forces ensure success in every challenge."
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Unread postby rerere » Tue 03 May 2005, 10:11:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', ' ')The only relevant quote one needs from that article is …..In an upbeat final paragraph, General Myers told Congress that the armed forces "remain the most professional, best trained, and best equipped military in the world.


Yes, that is why Lyndee England is on trial - due to her excellent training in the Geneva Convention.
Yes, that is why Duracell asks for citizens to send batteries to troops. Or the 'adopt a sniper' program exists. Or 'send coffee to troops' program. The homemade armor is a 'fashion statement' - a customization to show off your individuality.

Now, if they want to be EVEN BETTER, they need more money. Tax Dollars. Because Halliburton has expenses. Costs of $27,514,833 to deliver $82,100 in LPG fuel that need to be paid.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', ' ')
"Our ability to project power, anywhere in the world, remains second to none," he added. "The dedication, commitment, and sacrifice of the men and women of our Armed Forces ensure success in every challenge."


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Unread postby TheSupplyGuy » Tue 03 May 2005, 20:13:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'O')h, this is just fabulous....

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Oops, sorry. I was in a hurry this morning and thought everyone here would find it interesting. I was unaware of the registering, I forgot my stepdad is automatically logged in.

I consider it interesting in the differing mindsets and opinions of Bush and leading generals.
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Unread postby whereismymonkey » Wed 04 May 2005, 01:08:26

People this is just an initial attempt to start to bring up the issue of a draft. More will come.
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Unread postby pilferage » Wed 04 May 2005, 01:21:38

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Copy the link addy from this page, go to google, insert and search. It'll give you the "If the URL is valid.... etc", click on that.
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Unread postby k_semler » Wed 04 May 2005, 01:40:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'O')h, this is just fabulous....

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http://www.bugmenot.com

Free access accounts for many different registration sites. Completly legit. Plugins are available for both Firefox and IE so you do not need to go to this site every time you need to "register" for a site.
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Unread postby eastbay » Wed 04 May 2005, 06:07:38

The madness America started in Iraq is costing around 150 billion/year in borrowed money and with absolutely no gain to show for it... only horrific and idiotic losses.

No country, not even the USA, can keep that costly stupidity going for very long. Projecting military power on such a massive scale into another similarly sized or larger theater has been long known by just about everyone to be next to impossible without initiating a war-economy on the US population. That, incidentally would be a tough-sell when the results and outcome are known to be more insane and pointless destruction.

The Meyers statement itself isn't news. What is news is that someone of his position and stature has the guts to say that out loud.

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Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Wed 04 May 2005, 06:30:15

"MAY not be able to"

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Unread postby BiGG » Wed 04 May 2005, 10:04:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'T')he madness America started in Iraq is costing around 150 billion/year in borrowed money and with absolutely no gain to show for it... only horrific and idiotic losses.


The gains we are seeing are long sought after stability in the Middle East and very long-term payoff on rebuilding countries there starting with Afghanistan & Iraq just like we had rebuilding Asia & Europe post WWII. I would think even a San Francisco liberal could see the value of our newfound Kabul to Baghdad corridor and the things that go with it like previously unavailable intelligence for starters. Where is Saddam’s former gigantic pile of weapons again?

Haven’t you noticed Bashar al-Assad has found himself a whole new attitude lately? You think that might have something to do with George’s lovely carriers and the like sitting in close proximity?

Haven’t you noticed Mu'ammar Gadhafi has found himself a whole new attitude lately? You think that might have something to do with George’s lovely carriers and the like sitting in close proximity?

Haven’t you noticed even Pakistan got real friendly with US real quick recently?

Haven’t you noticed the dominos are falling everywhere in the Middle East and that Daisy Cutters are getting the attention of those who were formally laughing at the crookedness & ineptness of the United Nations Debate Club?

Do you have any idea how may trillions will be spent here rebuilding countries in that region that need absolutely everything?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o country, not even the USA, can keep that costly stupidity going for very long. Projecting military power on such a massive scale into another similarly sized or larger theater has been long known by just about everyone to be next to impossible without initiating a war-economy on the US population. That, incidentally would be a tough-sell when the results and outcome are known to be more insane and pointless destruction.


Maybe next time we can get those like Vladimir & Jacques to help us out a pinch instead of dirty dealing out the back door like they were doing with Saddam and the little oil-for-food thingy. We should have never had to take out Saddam on our own but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
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Unread postby Andy » Wed 04 May 2005, 10:28:40

Bigg,

What so-called stability in the Middle East are you referring to? Do you watch any other media but American. Iraq can't be the same area that I am hearing about that seems to be arguably less stable than in the Saddam days. Outside of Kabul Afghanistan, the U.S propped government has very little control. That does not sound like stability to me. We will see long term if all this military expenditure ends up even maintaining present oil supplies to world markets, much less increasing supply. Somehow, I think we are going to lose that battle. Geology and Geography are quite formidable opponents.
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Unread postby tmazanec1 » Wed 04 May 2005, 11:34:26

Is Iran next? If so, then figure on a draft.
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Unread postby BiGG » Wed 04 May 2005, 12:10:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Andy', '
')What so-called stability in the Middle East are you referring to? Do you watch any other media but American. Iraq can't be the same area that I am hearing about that seems to be arguably less stable than in the Saddam days. Outside of Kabul Afghanistan, the U.S propped government has very little control. That does not sound like stability to me. We will see long term if all this military expenditure ends up even maintaining present oil supplies to world markets, much less increasing supply. Somehow, I think we are going to lose that battle. Geology and Geography are quite formidable opponents.



These types of things don’t happen overnight but they are happening. The 25+ million people in Iraq alone will self govern as efficiently as everybody else in a few years now and start locking up radical Islam as fast as we lock up radical Christians in the United States. Radical Islam and those who support it is out biggest problem and we are giving power to those who want an end to it just as bad as we do.

There is an immense change going on over there right now and the vast majority of the population wants what we are giving them and they will not be returning to being beaten into submission by crackpots like Saddam or the Taliban anymore.

Stability for oil is just one short-term part of the equation as our dependence will be diminishing quickly with antiquated oil’s replacements. Real stability is sought so you and I can go back to the days where our biggest problem is figuring out where we want to go on vacation next instead of worrying about the Saddam/Osama type’s next surprise.
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Unread postby Olaf » Wed 04 May 2005, 13:26:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The 25+ million people in Iraq alone will self govern as efficiently as everybody else in a few years now and start locking up radical Islam as fast as we lock up radical Christians in the United States.


That's funny, I thought we made radical Christians in this country President, Secretary of Defense, etc...

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