[oswald622]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', 'T')he ice sheet melt should be drilled into the public mind at every opportunity. The denialist idiots like to bleat about 1998 being the warmest year and that there has been cooling ever since. Well, the melting ice cube picture is something simple enough for people to visualize and understand. Can't have melt without warmer temperatures and there is no way around this (forget about soot since air quality has been improving quite a bit). The ice is a great indicator that filters out the meaningless variability that is endlessly cited as explaining everything by the denialists.

[Cid_Yama]

You wish. Your supposition is not supported by the data.

This isn't just some philosophical discussion. There actually is a physical world being impacted by these changes.

How you may spin it in your own brain changes the reality not at all.

[oswald622]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', 'Y')ou wish. Your supposition is not supported by the data.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oswald622', '&')quot;...air temperatures peaked in 1998 and began a cooling trend in 2002, while carbon dioxide levels have risen five per cent since 1998."

-- David Evans of the Australian Greenhouse Office

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=14504

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat scientists are trying to determine today is how quickly the changes will take place and how severe they will be given our present course of action.

[DryObserver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', 'P')ainting the roads in any shade is crazy - it would wear off immediately.
Just about as crazy as solar or conductive roads.

[DryObserver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DrGray', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DryObserver', 'T')ry painting all of the asphalt roofs and roads white, thereby changing the albedo for a substantial part of the Earth's surface (that is presently dark gray to black).

[KevO]

http://planetearth.nerc.ac.uk/news/story.aspx?id=596
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Greenland ice sheet is losing ice at an ever increasing rate, say scientists. What's more, they've shown for the first time that the loss of ice is split equally between what's happening on the surface - like ice melting and varying levels of snowfall - and icebergs calving off from the fronts of glaciers.

[hillsidedigger]

"They found that between 2000 and 2008, Greenland lost around 1500 billion tons of ice,"

For persective, that's about 250 cubic miles.

As a comparison, the world extracts and burns about one cubic mile of coal and one cubic mile of petroleum each year.

The eruption of Mount Saint Helens in 1980 only ejected about 2/3rds. of a cubic mile of material.

[NoWorries]

If it's such a large number, then how come sea levels haven't increased?

[drew]

And how many square miles of ocean do you think there are? That is your answer, friend....

Drew

[Lore]

But it is rising,... and picking up speed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')urrent sea level rise has occurred at a mean rate of 1.8 mm per year for the past century and more recently at rates estimated near 2.8 ± 0.4 to 3.1 ± 0.7 mm per year (1993-2003).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

[hillsidedigger]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'A')nd how many square miles of ocean do you think there are? That is your answer, friend....

Drew

[evgeny]

The developing world has put forward a UN ultimatum


Began in Copenhagen a week ago, 15-th UN Conference on Climate Change is shaken by scandals, following one after another. Today, its work was blocked, when the representatives of developing countries (primarily Africa) have announced their refusal to participate in the conference.

They accused the industrialized countries that they intend to review in its favor quotas on greenhouse gas emissions, some Kyoto Protocol.

Recall that the Kyoto Protocol was adopted in 1997 to combat the so-called. "Greenhouse effect".

According to this document, all countries were instructed to reduce harmful emissions to 1990 levels. Each country was allocated a quota for carbon dioxide emissions, resulting in an odd carbon market - the developed countries exceeding their quotas, they have to buy a not so developed that they are not fully used. By the way, countries classified as "developing" in that even good living.

Another thing is that the U.S. decided not to take any obligations, and in 2001 rejected the Kyoto Protocol. World opinion of course, condemned, but the Americans habitually spit on her opinion.

Nevertheless, in Copenhagen during this conference yet been developed draft of the new agreement, which is intended to introduce to replace the Kyoto Protocol, and it just suggests that significant reductions by 2020 to ensure that the developed countries. However, a group of dissatisfied states demanded that the confirmation of the Kyoto Protocol, which basically limits it imposes on developed countries received priority over a broader debate about the "long-term vision" to combat global warming. If this is done, developing countries continue to refuse to work at the conference.

This, incidentally, is not the first scandal at the Copenhagen conference. As already reported KM.RU, in Copenhagen on the eve of the signing of new agreements to combat greenhouse gases exploded, "information bomb": hackers to break into the server of the University of East Anglia, laid out in the correspondence network of scientists, from which it can be concluded that in recent years the temperature on Earth not increase. This written British newspaper The Times. Fragments of correspondence, according to the publication, hackers have posted "on Russia's server.

Access to the archive e-mail, numbering about 1000 letters, as well as the 3000 documents intended for official use, hackers, reports the Associated Press, received in mid-November 2009. Among the documents that became public knowledge - a letter from Professor Phil Jones, who heads the Center for Research on Climate (Climate Research Unit) University of East Anglia, where he describes the "trick" that makes it possible to conceal the temperature decrease. Jones Letter dated November 1999. In the correspondence involved British scientists, NASA and the staff of U.S. universities. From the documents made public it is clear that in recent years, the temperature on Earth is not increased, and, conversely, decreases.

At the University of East Anglia, a fact confirmed the leak, but refused to comment on the truth of network-published data.

The authors of the portal Examiner.com, which were made public a letter internal correspondence of scientists, ambiguously indicate the presence in the story "Russian trace" - say, the server of the University of East Anglia, was attacked from Russia.

Of particular interest in a long thread (the branches of the discussion ") letters are harmonically especially scientific terminology, intra banter and profanity, is a comment of a prominent European climatologist Phil Jones:" I just adjusted the figure by Tim for his article in the journal Nature, which he send to the editor today or tomorrow. I increased the value of average annual temperatures in order to hide their fall, and I added just 0.44 degrees from 1961 to 1990. And another 0.35 degrees - from 1990 to 1999.

Thus, the researchers "warmed" planet nearly one degree - and that was enough to stoke the mass hysteria surrounding the notorious greenhouse gas, which every year becomes bigger and more expensive for each of the countries that have ratified the Kyoto Protocol.

Sam Phil Jones promulgated in response to correspondence confirmed the reliability of writing almost 10 years ago. In a statement published on the website of the Center for Research on Climate University of East Anglia, he noted that "just been discussing with colleagues, some not related to the study of charts, which, in their opinion, were incorrect and they should be corrected taking account of the considerations. The word "trick" he used as a colloquialism and not aimed to falsify the data and mislead the public.

According to Phil Jones, who resigned after the noise rose up, ill-fated documents snared by no accident. It was not a sudden success rabid opponents of global warming, and planned action, which led the staff of Russia's FSB.

In any case, the statements of concern for the future of the planet's ecology, in fact hiding rough financial calculations.

For example, China, which is traditionally headed by a bloc of developing countries, put forward the idea of payment by Western countries "export" carbon dioxide emissions. That is, when purchasing Chinese goods the buyer must return the original PRC tax formed in the process of its production of greenhouse gases.

Another initiative of developing countries - the creation of a special fund, which will be spent on combating climate change. Replenish the treasury stock as much as two hundred billion dollars to the developed industrial powers. Money Fund of the State, which had not yet earned the status of developed countries, are going to use to move closer to this goal through the introduction of modern environmentally sound technologies. Theoretically, the developed countries are not against the idea of establishing such a fund. But they demand that they themselves should determine their contributions to this fund and monitor its work.

Russia declares its "neutral", and even generously agreed to reduce their emissions quotas by 25% from 1990 levels. However, Russia's government still has not signed the Ecological Doctrine of Russia - a document governing the state policy in the field of ecology. And it looks like Russia's "neutrality" is defined by a certain indifference to the process.

At the time, Russia's government unsuccessfully tried to trade their emissions quotas. And now, seeing no direct financial interest, allows himself to the noble gestures with a voluntary reduction in quotas. However, Western experts say that Russia live up to their commitments and so it more than profitable. Calculations showed the British Ministry of Energy and Climate Change, reduction in 2020 emissions by 25% from 1990 levels as promised by the government of Russia, actually means an increase of 14 per cent over 2007.

[evgeny]

President visits Russia's Academy of Sciences


On Tuesday, Dec. 15, Dmitri Medvedev, perhaps, again briefly felt like a student. At a meeting with members of Russia's Academy of Sciences president read this lecture on climate change. Medvedev listened attentively and humbly, showing great respect for academics. Besides the information provided to the President soon may well be useful. This coming Friday, the head of state to go to Konpengagen to participate in the UN Conference on Climate Change.

Today, scientists in several voices assured that the fear the apocalypse is not worth it. Current climate warming is not so dangerous to us, as it is increasingly trying to convince us abroad.

- We must take a balanced position! Do not assume difficult to implement commitments to reduce industrial emissions - inspired Medvedev President of RAS Yuri Osipov. - But the transition to modern machinery, lowering the cost of fuel, would be fundamentally changed the situation.

-We do not need to panic, to rush to extremes, to say that all was lost. On the other hand - can not do nothing, - has supported this approach Medvedev, and then in turn decided to educate themselves a little academics.

- In addition to scientific evidence, here heavily implicated politics, there are business interests, and finally there are the emotional factors that are always warm up the situation! - Said the head of state.

- The main purpose of fighters to global warming - to make major countries, including Russia, to renounce the hydrocarbon and switch to renewable energy, primarily for biofuels. Those countries which are the first to master the new technology will have tremendous profits. It is clear that Russia, which has a huge income from mining and oil and gas, not among them .

- We should not allow us to cheat! - Said Medvedev. - We must develop alternative energy, but also about the hydrocarbon energy must never forget ! In all this I already feel the taste of money! So, we are dealing with big politics, and with big money!

[evgeny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'A')nd how many square miles of ocean do you think there are? That is your answer, friend....

Drew

[hillsidedigger]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evgeny', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hillsidedigger', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drew', 'A')nd how many square miles of ocean do you think there are? That is your answer, friend....

Drew

[katkinkate]

Has anyone heard any further word on the fate of the 90 rubber ducks NASA consigned to the melt waters of a Greenland glacier in September 2008?

[bluekachina]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')dinburgh-based Cairn Energy has been given approval to start drilling the first two wells in Greenland.

Cairn has a four-well exploration programme planned in the Disko West area offshore in Western Greenland.

The company has insisted it has taken precautions, hiring two new state-of-the art drilling rigs to ensure there is no possibility of a repeat of the recent disaster which has devastated the Gulf of Mexico.

[Laromi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DrGray', 'I') agree we may be in for quite a wild summer for arctic ice. I'm expecting a big drop off in extent and area in July. But hyperbole is fodder for some idiots to poke holes in predictions. This is not it. Whatever 'it' is.