[Evltre]

OK - I'm having one of my (very few) self doubt days - where I question my convictions!

I can’t believe out of the population of 3 million people here in NZ there are maybe a few hundred of us? I’m just a normal person, I know lots of people more intelligent than me – they don’t get it – why? What makes me different? Am I mad (as I think they think I am?) I sometimes can’t believe that I know about this and no one else does – is there anyway I can be right against all of those people? I just don’t know.

To me it seems obvious – to them ridiculous. We’ll debate – they’ll pull out all of the old classics about oil companies creating PO to hike prices, giant secret oil fields hidden by governments, hydrogen blah blah blah – I have stopped even bothering to argue with them about it – they just won’t listen. But why did I listen? It took one sentence from one person, and a quick google to check my facts before I shot him down in flames and wham – life changing event!!!

Now that it’s more and more in mainstream news, oil prices are having a personal impact on people the thing that I am finding the hardest, is why just us? – even with all of the media, all of the news out there the general population is “blank”. Where I now live (for the moment) there are maybe 20 people (out of a population of 77,000) who are actively seeking communication with like minded people – what’s everyone else thinking about! How much money they’re going to make off the real-estate market, how much they hate the government for introducing more taxes on Petrol, what to cook for dinner?

Are we all bonkers?

Sorry for the rant.

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Evltre', 'A')re we all bonkers?

[Evltre]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'M')ost people can't take the time to investigate all the facts and draw their own conclusions, so they look to "authority" to set their norms and to inform them on all those other issues that do not directly impact their lives.

[UIUCstudent01]

Maybe:

We're delusional. We're completely mad. We think great changes shall come if we don't turn from our sinful ways. We sing from the mountain and preach to the masses. We're the prophets - oh joyous day!

What courage, they - the children - will say, what obvious implications! What fools - foolish society based on their native faith - dollars and growth. The prophets become historians and living history, then just bones - the ones with forethought!

And they will say, why didn't they do anything to change their society! What foolish leaders! What fools the high priests of Economica were! We surely can't be the same! We have learned to be learned.




[I felt poetic or some-such. Ignore if you wish, Raphael must be getting to me in a weird kind of creative thingamagig.] {INTJ/P reporting in. Took it twice.}

[Evltre]

nice one

[some_guy282]

This question comes up often. The difference between us and them is that people who believe in Peak Oil are mostly NT's in the Myers Briggs personality type. NT stands for Intuative Thinking. Most of us are INTJs and INTP's. INTJ is Introverted Intuative Thinking Judging. INTP's are Introverted Intuative Thinking Perceiving. I'm an INTJ.

One of the things that characterizes INTJ's is the ability to examine evidence objectively. Of the total population, NT's comprise only about 3%. But about 70-80% of people who believe in Peak Oil are NT's. There was a really good site with descriptions of all of the types and a test to see which one you are, but the site is down now. Here's a link to see the description of INTJ, new website I found. But it doesn't have a test.

INTJ Profile

Can anyone else find a decent Myers Briggs test?

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Evltre', 'M')y mother says I've always had issues with authority Maybe that's the point of difference?

[DomusAlbion]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'T')his question comes up often. The difference between us and them is that people who believe in Peak Oil are mostly NT's in the Myers Briggs personality type. NT stands for Intuative Thinking. Most of us are INTJs and INTP's. INTJ is Introverted Intuative Thinking Judging. INTP's are Introverted Intuative Thinking Perceiving.

I'm an INTJ.

[mgibbons19]

I wonder the same thing. Truly it's enough to make me doubt and reread. And then I think of how certain the Rapture ppl are in spite of overwhelming disagreement. And I wonder how far off are we from those wackos. Yeah yeah I know science. But that's exactly my point. Having "faith" in this knowledge, the experts, the scientists, involved works in exactly the same way as those who have faith in religious armageddons.

But then I look at the crude price and think, well, it has jumped and stayed 50% since I've been paying attention. Fuel prices have risen almost 50% in the same time period. Sport Ute sales have slowed. These were some of the indicators I set for myself, and they sure appear to be happening. So I haven't bailed on the peakers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '
')I've decided that the best thing to do is smile and nod and quietly prepare for the worst. I have a few close friends and family that I gently prod and nudge in the direction of my thinking but even there I'm very careful. In my case, if the worst does NOT happen then I have a lovely home in the country.

[Evltre]

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

just trying it now

[some_guy282]

I found a test linked from that first site I put up.

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

I took it myself and it came up INTJ, so it's accurate.

[some_guy282]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgibbons19', 'I') wonder the same thing. Truly it's enough to make me doubt and reread. And then I think of how certain the Rapture ppl are in spite of overwhelming disagreement. And I wonder how far off are we from those wackos.

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

<------------ ENFP

[NeoPeasant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Evltre', 'I')t took one sentence from one person, and a quick google to check my facts before I shot him down in flames and wham – life changing event!!!

[Evltre]

Well I'm a iNFj - The Portrait of the Counselor Idealist - maybe it was my "supernormal intuition" which led me here! http://keirsey.com/personality/nfij.html

Hubby just popped home for lunch - he's a eNTj - The Portrait of the FieldMarshal Rational - so TRUE! http://keirsey.com/personality/ntej.html

[some_guy282]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Evltre', 'W')ell I'm a iNFj - The Portrait of the Counselor Idealist - maybe it was my "supernormal intuition" which led me here! http://keirsey.com/personality/nfij.html

Hubby just popped home for lunch - he's a eNTj - The Portrait of the FieldMarshal Rational - so TRUE!

[Evltre]

Yes - he's "in on it" That profile is even more relevant now days - he's a scientist anyway - so has always been very systematic and organized - now he's doing the same to our future! Very reassuring

[RonMN]

I studied PO for 4-5 months thinking i could prove that it's all B.S. I found that i couldn't disprove it does that make me any better or worse? i would say no but the people i try to talk to say "YES"

[Evltre]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd then I think of how certain the Rapture ppl are in spite of overwhelming disagreement. And I wonder how far off are we from those wackos.

[some_guy282]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Evltre', '
')Sometimes I feel like a mad faith healer trying to fix everybody - most of it is in my head too - I actually very rarely talk to people about it these days as I get too "emotionally involved"