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Re: Coal wastes 18x the power it creates

Unread postby frankthetank » Fri 04 Dec 2009, 13:03:20

That wasn't the point of this post, but whatever.

The US has burned Thorium in a reactor in the past.

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Re: Coal wastes 18x the power it creates

Unread postby SFDukie » Fri 04 Dec 2009, 15:08:24

Shippingport used thorium as well, and was a LWR.
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Re: Coal wastes 18x the power it creates

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Fri 04 Dec 2009, 17:30:54

How expensive would it be to extract the uranium from the coal?

5.2 tons out of 4 million tons is only 1.3 parts per million of uranium.

A low grade uranium ore has 100 parts per million of uranium.

I haven't seen any studies on this, but it doesn't sound like extracting uranium from coal would be profitable.

Uranium is actually quite abundant. The average rock has around 4 parts per million of uranium so it would be easier to get uranium from the parking lot of a coal plant than the coal itself.
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Re: Coal wastes 18x the power it creates

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 04 Dec 2009, 20:01:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'H')ow expensive would it be to extract the uranium from the coal?

5.2 tons out of 4 million tons is only 1.3 parts per million of uranium.

A low grade uranium ore has 100 parts per million of uranium.

I haven't seen any studies on this, but it doesn't sound like extracting uranium from coal would be profitable.

Uranium is actually quite abundant. The average rock has around 4 parts per million of uranium so it would be easier to get uranium from the parking lot of a coal plant than the coal itself.


The trick os to get it from the ash left over in all those huge sludge ponds around the world, in those locations the concentration is raised from 1.3 to around 10 ppm, which is still very low. On the other hand the ash is already on the surface, it has been 'mined' and powdered already which should help a little in extraction cost.
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Re: Coal wastes 18x the power it creates

Unread postby Blacksmith » Fri 04 Dec 2009, 23:29:47

Where is Mr Potatoe Head when you need him?
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Re: Coal wastes 18x the power it creates

Unread postby Gerben » Sun 06 Dec 2009, 07:54:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')he trick os to get it from the ash left over in all those huge sludge ponds around the world, in those locations the concentration is raised from 1.3 to around 10 ppm, which is still very low. On the other hand the ash is already on the surface, it has been 'mined' and powdered already which should help a little in extraction cost.

Not to mention that it costs money to get rid off the coal ash in countries that have laws forcing power companies to properly dispose of the waste (it's expensive to get rid of the stuff in the Netherlands). Partly due to the presences of these radioactive compounds.
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Re: Coal wastes 18x the power it creates

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 06 Dec 2009, 11:09:36

Russia is not only moving ahead with fast reactor tech, they have made a deal selling it to China as well.

http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/10/china- ... utron.html

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