[Cloud9]

The kid was not in my class. He was in the building next to mine. I saw him at lunch several times. Beyond speaking to him on several occasions, I did not know him. Your point is?

[virgincrude]

My point is there is every reason to suspect a media manipulation of anything relating to this 'pandemic', I know not a single person who has come down with this bug and know of not a single person who has died from it. Yet the news reports make it appear like people are dropping like flies.

My point is, that unless we have first hand knowledge of the details, the reports will always leave us with an impression just like this one, which did not confirm the cause of death.

Recently, in the UK a teenage girl died suddenly after her second shot of Gardasil, the HPV vaccine. Incredibly, the coroner said she died not from the side effects of the vaccine (which are well documented but not well publicised) but of a rare kind of cancer nobody had any idea she had. The chances of this being the real cause of death are incredibly small, yet this impression allows the vaccine manufacturer to continue pressing the 'vaccines are safe' line, and continue to enjoy immunity from prosecution.

The point is, the swine flu propaganda, dutifully published in the media, is a very dangerous precedent for the eventual cancellation of your civil liberties, unless you dig for the truth and make it known. So, although the guy was a school mate of yours, you did not know him personally and still have no idea whether there were any other factors involved in his death. And how many other kids in his class came down with the same virus? Of course, he simply may have been one of the few who's immune system just could not handle the virus. But it's important to know that the common seasonal flu variety of virus kills far more people than H1N1.

[Cloud9]

Got it. You don’t believe H1N1 is real. These are the facts as I know them. Something made a number of my kids very ill. The ratio was about a dozen out of about 150. Several of them were hospitalized. Two of them specifically told me that they had been diagnosed with H1N1.

[virgincrude]

Thanks for telling me what I think Cloud9.

But you're wrong.

I never said H1N1 was not real.

I said media reports are misleading, as is the propaganda machine known as the WHO, and from all the information I can find, I think H1N1 is not a real threat to the population. I think the threat of imminent mass deaths- in other words the old fashioned definition of a 'pandemic'- from this variety of flu is grossly exaggerated, to say the least.

That's not the same thing as saying H1N1 doesn't exist.

[Cloud9]

Sorry if I did not understand your intent. We were told by the administration that the 9th grader died from H1N1. There have been no other fatalities out of a population of 1600.

[evgeny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evgeny', 'F')or six months, as the whole world is discussing another scare - swine flu. Almost no one had really died away, and the jim-jams - as they want. Out of an abundance of vague and meaningless information on this topic one thing is clear - people love and want to be afraid. But once fears arise, then someone needs it?

any emerging influenza in birds and pigs. Viruses constantly live in birds, and when the birds transmit influenza to pigs, the trouble happens - there is another mutation and there is a virus, dangerous to humans. So all those of influenza, which we have countless times hurt before, was
bird-pig in its essence.

Failed, "bird flu" - they launched a campaign of "swine flu"; falls "swine flu" - they will develop a company with "horse flu".

[eXpat]

Now, that´s a novel approach
Fighting Swine Flu With Pepperoni
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')WXYZ) - The Detroit Health Department is fighting swine flu with pepperoni. When kids return to school after the holiday break, each class has the opportunity to get a free pizza party – if they sign up for the shots. ...

They teamed up with Happy’s Pizza. And each class in the city that has a permission slip return rate of 80-percent or more will get a pizza party for the entire class.

According to Neil Master, Director of Advertising for Happy’s Pizza, “Kids love pizza and we love kids in Detroit and we take care of them whenever we can.”

And while the kids may sign up for the pizza, the parents need to know it’s important to sign the forms because flu season isn’t over just because the number of cases have leveled off.

Dr. Davis told us, “With our flu season, the peak is usually in February and it goes into March. I can tell you we will get hit again. We’re in December now. In January and February, the flu will increase tremendously.”

Another mom, L’Tonya Felder got shots for her children, “I think it’s extremely important. It’s important that the Detroit community come together and realize this is important for our health for our protection and we’re combating the h1n1 as well as the regular seasonal flu.”

[PatciMkc]

It seems to be almost over in the USA where I live.

[oowolf]

H1N1 outbreak in UK seems to be getting scary; ICU's maxed-out.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/12301 ... U_738.html
Maybe some of our British members can give real-time info on this situation...

[papa moose]

Did i read this right?
Last year they peaked with 180 N1H1 cases and didn't have enough machines.
Yesterday they had 748 patients but no new machines since last year?
Add to that the main vicitims are health young adults, aka the least likely demographic to seek medical aid for flu like symptoms?

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'D')id i read this right?
Last year they peaked with 180 N1H1 cases and didn't have enough machines.
Yesterday they had 748 patients but no new machines since last year?
Add to that the main vicitims are health young adults, aka the least likely demographic to seek medical aid for flu like symptoms?

[papa moose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('papa moose', 'D')id i read this right?
Last year they peaked with 180 N1H1 cases and didn't have enough machines.
Yesterday they had 748 patients but no new machines since last year?
Add to that the main vicitims are health young adults, aka the least likely demographic to seek medical aid for flu like symptoms?

[WildRose]

Just wondering, is H1N1 a big concern in your area this flu season? If so, do you know about what percentage of your local population has been vaccinated against it?

I was looking at a flu map for Canada yesterday and it showed that the only areas in Canada with widespread flu activity right now are the Edmonton and Calgary areas.

What's it like in the US and other countries?

[Loki]

H1N1 appears to be widespread in the US based on the CDC map. I got a flu shot last week for the first time in many, many years. The pharmacist who stuck me said it was a bad flu season. I had swine flu in 2009, it was the sickest I'd ever been, came real close to going to the emergency room due to a 104 temp.

[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'H')1N1 appears to be widespread in the US based on the CDC map. I got a flu shot last week for the first time in many, many years. The pharmacist who stuck me said it was a bad flu season. I had swine flu in 2009, it was the sickest I'd ever been, came real close to going to the emergency room due to a 104 temp.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', '
')Thanks for responding, Loki. It seems to be a bad season here as well, rather suddenly over the last few weeks. It's all over our news lately with the health minister urging everyone to be vaccinated.

Do your health officials make pleas for everyone to be vaccinated?

[WildRose]

That is pretty much the same here, Loki, H1N1 is the dominant strain, hits younger adults hardest. In Alberta people are lining up to be vaccinated but there aren't enough clinics open to handle the rush. The vaccine was first offered in October, but most people seemed to not be worried about it then. The shot is free for us in Alberta. Our nursing union has said the vaccine is around 60% effective, not sure what their source is, but they emphasize continued vigilance with hand-washing, avoiding sick contacts, etc. as getting the shot is not 100% effective.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'T')hat is pretty much the same here, Loki, H1N1 is the dominant strain, hits younger adults hardest. In Alberta people are lining up to be vaccinated but there aren't enough clinics open to handle the rush. The vaccine was first offered in October, but most people seemed to not be worried about it then. The shot is free for us in Alberta. Our nursing union has said the vaccine is around 60% effective, not sure what their source is, but they emphasize continued vigilance with hand-washing, avoiding sick contacts, etc. as getting the shot is not 100% effective.

[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'T')hat is pretty much the same here, Loki, H1N1 is the dominant strain, hits younger adults hardest. In Alberta people are lining up to be vaccinated but there aren't enough clinics open to handle the rush. The vaccine was first offered in October, but most people seemed to not be worried about it then. The shot is free for us in Alberta. Our nursing union has said the vaccine is around 60% effective, not sure what their source is, but they emphasize continued vigilance with hand-washing, avoiding sick contacts, etc. as getting the shot is not 100% effective.

[Timo]

Well over 100 people admitted to one of our hospitals in the past two weeks with "the flu." I'm not sure if it's H1N1, but it's the flu, nonetheless. Bad enough to put 100+ people in the emergency room. I've never had a flu shot, ever. Just fighting all of the other bacteria and viruses out there keeps me plenty busy. 104 actually sounds pretty nice right now. The heat in my building has been broken since last Tuesday. You can almost see your breath in my office.