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$Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby burn0gas » Sun 15 Nov 2009, 18:23:17

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/11/15/un.hunger/index.html$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'f')or the first time in history, more than 1 billion face starvation worldwide.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;If a billion Internet users donate a dollar or a euro a week, we can literally transform the lives of a billion hungry people across the world," said Josette Sheeran, executive director of WFP.
Is there a "billion Internet users" that can afford a dollar a week? I'm not so sure. So the great die off begins...
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby kpeavey » Sun 15 Nov 2009, 20:30:45

I'm an internet user and while I can easily afford many dollars per week, I would not support such an initiative. It would be an effort to artificially support surplus carrying capacity and would only cause more suffering later when the population has grown and support can no longer be artificially sustained.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby Ludi » Sun 15 Nov 2009, 21:11:24

I donate to Population Connection, which helps people plan and reduce their reproduction. link

Fewer people = less starvation.

You can't win The Food Race. link
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Postby deMolay » Sun 15 Nov 2009, 21:17:18

Maqybe the UN should start by using the Tsunami Scam money that they still haven't spent. Then after that they could fire 10,000 UN employees and use that money.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby Novus » Sun 15 Nov 2009, 22:43:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'F')ewer people = less starvation. You can't win The Food Race.
Too bad more of us didn't catch on to that 20 years ago. In those 20 years more than billion people have been added to the Earth. If there were a billion less people or a billion fewer births over 20 years there might not be much in the way of starvation today.

If we continue the foolishness of past for another 20 years and fail to control the population the human race maybe looking at an extinction event in the making.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby timmac » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 00:38:41

Sounds like another UN scam to me, I will bet less than 50 cents on the dollar will even go towards food for the hungry, why don't the toothless lions [UN] do more to stop this problem in the African nation by assassinating the evil leaders over there, plowing the fields, putting in wells, etc, etc, instead of stealing the profits and pretending they care..
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby Ayame » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 04:04:17

It would be foolhardy to do this. They should set up the tubes tied/vasectomy for food program applying if the person has had over one kid.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby mos6507 » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 08:53:21

I thought, as in the peak oil moderates thread, a die off wasn't going to happen? Or it just wasn't going to hit the 1st world? Or it wasn't going to be due to peak oil per se? A billion people dying sounds like a die off to me.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby hillsidedigger » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 09:06:16

I think to some extent this is just sensational fear-mongering to drain wealth off the gullible and sympathetic and, no, most such donations or grants would not go for the intended purpose.

I have said for awhile now that the world will not reach 9 billion people, not even 8 billion.

I am beginning to wonder about 7 billion.

How much could be done for a starving person with only one dollar per week?
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby rangerone314 » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 09:37:37

How about instead of a billion a week, how about we double that to 2 billion a week ($104 billion a year) and give 104,000,000 poor women each year $1,000 cash after getting their tubes tied?

Just imagine how many births would be stopped and how much poverty would be allieviated.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby mos6507 » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 10:14:04

Can someone point me towards any measure, ANYTHING in which malthusian policy positions received a receptive reaction from the mainstream rather than being met with accusations of misanthropy? It's almost a complete waste of time to preach about this stuff because it is the 3rd rail of politics. Even in the UK where population concerns are at least getting into the press, the comments pages are off the richter scale with moral indignation blowback. It's always crucify the messenger with population.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby Ludi » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 10:22:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ') A billion people dying sounds like a die off to me.
Only if few or none are born during the same period.

"die-off (dôf)
A sudden, severe decline in a population or community of organisms as a result of natural causes. Local die-offs can be caused by such factors as an unusual or extreme weather pattern, an outbreak of disease, or toxic algal blooms in a body of water. Widespread or global die-offs in which a species or group of species becomes extinct are generally associated with rapid climate change or other large-scale environmental dislocations." Dictionary
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby mos6507 » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 11:28:18

Yep. If we lose a billion but gain a billion in births then it's not technically a die-off, which says more about the depth of suffering required to actually bring the population into balance with the ecosystem in the end, and the degree to which births only make matters worse.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby turner » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 11:30:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'H')ow about instead of a billion a week, how about we double that to 2 billion a week ($104 billion a year) and give 104,000,000 poor women each year $1,000 cash after getting their tubes tied?
Just imagine how many births would be stopped and how much poverty would be allieviated.
Yes it's a great idea but even if the money was available do you think the church and the husbands would agree?
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby erl » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 12:15:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m an internet user and while I can easily afford many dollars per week, I would not support such an initiative. It would be an effort to artificially support surplus carrying capacity and would only cause more suffering later when the population has grown and support can no longer be artificially sustained.


Well, I guess we can all just close our eyes and turn off the tv. That way we don't have to watch these people starve.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby mos6507 » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 12:19:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'W')ell, I guess we can all just close our eyes and turn off the tv. That way we don't have to watch these people starve.
Nobody outside of the easter islanders watched them starve, at least until the first european explorers visited them after the damage was done. There is an implied responsibility of the 1st world to the 3rd world, as if they are and should forever be the world's welfare children. Surely some compassion is in order, but I'm not sure the blame-mongering is entirely fair.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby mcgowanjm » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 12:30:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is an implied responsibility of the 1st world to the 3rd world, as if they are and should forever be the world's welfare children. Surely some compassion is in order, but I'm not sure the blame-mongering is entirely fair.
The only reason there's a pop explosion is BECAUSE of interaction of the First World with the Third.

Example: Name one Third World Country that has benefited from Pax Americana. We promise aid but demand onerous loan payments. Or why is Kenya/Ethiopia exporting coffee during an epic drought?

Hunger children, animals dying — locusts, drought — Somalia ... The rocketing price of wheat, soybeans, sugar, coffee — you name it — is ... and it is likely to cause starvation on an epic scale. ...... Around 11 million people are in serious danger in Kenya, Ethiopia, ..... In Ivory Coast, three G8 companies control 95% of the processing and export of cocoa, the main resource. ... [url=thewe.cc/weplanet/news/children/hunger_children_dying.htm]article[/url]
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby frankthetank » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 12:33:24

Money to buy some tools to farm/irrigate would go a lot further... You can grow crops almost anywhere with the right equipment and access to water.

The whole planet needs to address population. Its not just 3rd worlders who are to blame. What about the Octomom and her litter of little welfare cases that will consume as many resources as 100 African children? 1000? ...
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby mos6507 » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 12:33:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'T')he only reason there's a pop explosion is BECAUSE of interaction of the First World with the Third.

Interaction is a two-way street.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'N')ame one Third World Country that has benefited from Pax Americana.

If they didn't benefit, maybe they shouldn't have entered into any of these deals.
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Re: $Billion/week needed to stop die off

Postby HeckuvaJob » Mon 16 Nov 2009, 13:07:27

The easiest way to decrease the birthrate? educate women

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he overwhelming majority of those living in poverty today are the children of people who lived in poverty. In effect, poverty is largely inherited. The key to breaking out of the culture of poverty is education—particularly of girls. As female educational levels rise, fertility falls. Economist Gene Sperling concluded in a study of 72 countries that “the expansion of female secondary education may be the single best lever for achieving substantial reductions in fertility.”15


But wait - there's more! Educate the women in developing countries now and we'll even throw in decreased conflict. Act now!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ducating girls and women is one of the most leveraged investments there is. Not only does it bring a range of benefits to the individual girls and women—such as, self-confidence, ability to make informed decisions, critical analysis of propaganda, which is crucial in the battle against the Taliban—it also has a large ripple effect. Educating girls and women improves the health status of children and the economic development of their communities. Every 1 percent increase in women’s education generates a .3 percent increase in economic growth. Exclusion from the socioeconomic development of the country is one of the root causes of the conflict in Northern Pakistan. The government of Pakistan invests $11 per capita on development efforts in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and $25 per capita in the rest of the country. The educational attainment of girls and women in the north is markedly lower than in other areas. The current humanitarian crisis and displacement could provide a window of opportunity for girls and women, many of whom have never before had access to education, to learn critical skills.
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