[HeckuvaJob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'T')he only reason there's a pop explosion is BECAUSE of interaction of the First World with the Third.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')f they didn't benefit, maybe they shouldn't have entered into any of these deals.

[green_achers]

Thanks for the link, ludi. Interesting group.

[FairMaiden]

My first thought when I started reading this was, "if we buy 6.7 billion dollars of food, won't the price of food go up for everyone?" There are starving people in our perspective countries so won't this increase the amount in our own country? Make food less affordable?

Secondly, I resent the call for the 'public' to start donating some of their money - whose money do they think the GOVT's money is? Those are already our tax dollars so we ARE already contributing.

I met a man who had just come back from Africa where he was helping villages set up algae farms - they required very little water and the nutriional content was amazing...why don't we hear about stuff like this? My suspicious mind is just wondering if this is a way to buy up excess food supplies to keep prices high instead of long term sustainable solution like algae farms!

[americandream]

Liposuction America and I reckon you'ld feed the world for a year on the fat.

[deMolay]

They won't get their billions. The real agenda. http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_200 ... index.html

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'T')hey won't get their billions. The real agenda. http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_200 ... index.html

[Roy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rom the standpoint of aliens watching Ant Farm Earth I can almost hear the dialog: "How long before they figure out this is the Feed & Breed question on the evolution test, do you think?"

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'T')hey won't get their billions. The real agenda. http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_200 ... index.html

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')If they didn't benefit, maybe they shouldn't have entered into any of these deals.

[deMolay]

So Mos and Ludi would you directly tie every bushel of wheat in foreign aid to all countries that cannot feed themselves to sterilization of every adult male and female of that country that is given food aid?

[rangerone314]

Actually not a bad idea, guarantee someone a fixed amount of grain & food if they get sterilized.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'S')o Mos and Ludi would you directly tie every bushel of wheat in foreign aid to all countries that cannot feed themselves to sterilization of every adult male and female of that country that is given food aid?

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'T')hey won't get their billions. The real agenda. http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_200 ... index.html

[deMolay]

Die off of the Fatties will 100% ensure the death of the 3rd world. To state the obvious the Fatties are ones who feed the 3rd world. I'm sure you have heard of food aid?

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'S')o Mos and Ludi would you directly tie every bushel of wheat in foreign aid to all countries that cannot feed themselves to sterilization of every adult male and female of that country that is given food aid?

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'S')o Mos and Ludi would you directly tie every bushel of wheat in foreign aid to all countries that cannot feed themselves to sterilization of every adult male and female of that country that is given food aid?

[mos6507]

There is always this moralistic undercurrent in these threads, and it's implied that there is a pious route forward in which everybody can live happily ever after. Good intentions alone are not going to solve limits to growth. I don't see how that is possible unless you simply reject the idea of population overshoot, which is what you'd have to do in order to envision a soft landing. If that's not the case, then some form of lifeboat ethics is inevitable. If not now, then certainly in the near future. So it's better that we start to ask ourselves who we want to include into our community lifeboats and who we don't, because I seriously doubt we're going to be able to "save" everybody in the end. I don't think we have to commit overt genocide or start WWIII, but a future without hard choices really doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned. One can either spend all your time fingerpointing and hand-wringing about those who are not going to make it on the lifeboat, or just get on with it. There is a difference between genocide and benign neglect. The 3rd world are not helpless children. Their welfare should not be treated as our inalienable responsibility.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'T')here is a difference between genocide and benign neglect. The 3rd world are not helpless children. Their welfare should not be treated as our inalienable responsibility.