[Maddog78]

Gee, I thought all you guys would think this was good news. NOT!

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he reports, commissioned by the Alberta Energy Research Institute

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'G')ee, I thought all you guys would think this was good news. NOT!

[Serial_Worrier]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hardtootell-2', 'W')e are in an era of decline, having used up most of the easy and clean resources of our finite planet. The last 50% of the usable resources will create ALOT more pollution when exploited. For example- the low quality (semi legal) coal mines in China, mountain top mining in the Appalachians and of course the Oil sands...

Just wait until resource wars become more widespread.

I don't think the end will be pretty.

[Maddog78]

http://www.financialpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2210101

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')orld needs Canada's 'dirty oil': IEA
Energy Security

Peter O'Neil, Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, November 11, 2009


The world needs Canada's so-called dirty oil, the International Energy Agency said yesterday even as it called on leaders to make decisive moves to slash greenhouse gas emissions at a United Nations sponsored negotiating session next month.

"World leaders gathering in Copenhagen next month for the UN Climate Summit have a historic opportunity to avert the worst effects of climate change," IEA executive director Nobuo Tanaka said in a statement after releasing the agency's annual World Energy Outlook analysis.

The IEA, which is funded by and provides advice to Canada and 27 other industrialized countries, said lower emissions are needed not only to protect the environment but also to enhance energy security during a period of soaring demand.

Without concrete actions to limit emissions, primarily through efficiency measures and new technology, energy demand will jump by 40% between now and 2030, the IEA said in its report.

Canada, with 178 billion barrels of proven oil reserves that ranks second only to Saudi Arabia, plays an important role on the supply side, the IEA said.

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '[')url]http://www.financialpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2210101[/url]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')orld needs Canada's 'dirty oil': IEA

[frankthetank]

Yeah... This goes to show that no matter what, we'll continue on our path to destruction... The best we can HOPE for is that they do it in a way that limits the amount of pollution produced and released...from what i have seen, they are doing this the dirty way... You poor Canadian socialist commie bastards are being used by us fat pork eatin Americans so we can drive to our mailboxes I might just go start my car right now so its warm when i go to the mailbox in 4 hrs!

edit to add:

You know, if this oil was being used for GOOD (say to make solar panels/wind generators/green houses/nuclear power planst)...it wouldn't be so tragic...but most of this oil is just being burned for nothing...nothing...nothing... its not like Baby Einstein in his carseat driving to Billy's ball game is going to solve the music of the primes while hurling down the interstate in a pickup truck

[Maddog78]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', ' ') You poor Canadian socialist commie bastards are being used by us fat pork eatin Americans so we can drive to our mailboxes I might just go start my car right now so its warm when i go to the mailbox in 4 hrs!

[Maddog78]

I don't have an F350.
I have a Chevy Avalanche and a 911. Just as bad I guess?
I'll probably give up the 911 in the spring but I need the truck to haul around my dirt bikes and other assorted odds and ends.

btw, it wouldn't bother me a bit to shut down the sands. I work in the drilling business and there is no drilling required there.
Shut it down so we can drill more holes.

I probably sound like Satan himself to someone like you.

[Maddog78]

Fair enough, I'm an atheist myself.

In my defense I don't drive much compared to the average.
I bought the Chevy in '03 and it only has 50,000 miles on it.
I bought the 911 2 years ago and have only put 4,500 miles on it.
Gasoline is cheap and plentiful right now so and I have a good job so it will be some time before I make any big changes with my personal transportation. Call it avoiding preps or whatever you want but that's the way it is right now.

[Vogelzang]

The oil sands make up less than 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the earth's surface. Developing oil sands will have absolutely no adverse effect on the environment.

As a matter of fact, developing the oil sands has the potential of greatly benefiting the environment. Leaving the oil there, increases the risk that it will naturally leak into the environment. Thanks, to man, his careful removal of this danger and its use as a fuel will decrease the risk of any environmental castastrophe.

[deMolay]

China wants Alberta's Dirty Oil. http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/col ... 7f77a30ed5

[Graeme]

Tar Sands Production In America Is Closer Than You Think

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')efore long the tar sands issue won’t be just about imports from Canada via pipeline.

Utah, which has never met a dirty fuel it didn’t love, has been encouraging efforts to develop a home-grown tar sands industry. Construction on a project located on state lands in the eastern part of the state could begin by the end of the year, according to a story in Environment and Energy Publishing’s Energy Wire:

“It’s not just something that’s up in Canada,” Utah Tar Sands Resistance member Raphael Cordray told E&E. “People don’t know it’s here in Utah. Our goal is to get the citizens of Utah to recognize that there’s a proposed tar sands site in Utah that could become the first commercial site in America, and what is at stake.”

Utah has about a third of the roughly 36 billion barrels of tar sands oil thought to be located in the U.S. Not all of that is estimated to be technically or commercially recoverable, however. Tar sands contain a form of petroleum called bitumen that can be refined into gasoline. But the process is costly, energy-intensive, and on a life-cycle basis releases far more global warming pollutants than conventional oil refining operations.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', 'A')t current prices its hard to see how Tar Sands production can eve continue.

[Graeme]

Oil sands deals another blow to `energy independence’

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ising costs and increased competition from hydraulic fracturing in the U.S. is taking its toll on investments in Canadian oil sands. The slowdown is limited so far, but it shows how quickly energy markets can change and how tenuous the idea of North American energy independence actually is.

Suncor Energy, the biggest oil sands producer, said Thursday it’s reconsidering a plan to invest billions in upgrades as it cuts spending by 11 percent, the Wall Street Journal reported. At the same time, construction and labor costs have been rising in northern Alberta, the site of most oil sands activity. In some cases, crude from oil sands has a break even price approaching $100 a barrel, and today’s prices make those projects uneconomic.

Like Shell Oil’s project to drill in Arctic waters, oil sands are among the most expensive sources of conventional energy in the world. Set against a global market of fluctuating prices, the high-cost production makes the dream of energy independence elusive. As oil prices fall — they’re just under $86 a barrel today — imports simply become the cheaper alternative.

Canadian oil sand production is a key piece of most discussion about North American independence, including a plan favored by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney. We are unlikely to drill our way to independence by relying on domestic production alone, but we can’t count on Canadian production, either. Canada remains our biggest oil supplier, but these are expensive reserves. Counting on them as the driver of energy independence could mean the U.S. winds up paying billions more for energy when cheaper alternatives are available elsewhere.

Achieving and maintaining energy independence sounds great, but it flies in the face of economic reality.

[KingM]

Good news, IMO. Expensive, but ultimately available oil is what we need to transition away from petroleum products.

[SamInNebraska]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'G')ood news, IMO. Expensive, but ultimately available oil is what we need to transition away from petroleum products.

[Timo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SamInNebraska', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KingM', 'G')ood news, IMO. Expensive, but ultimately available oil is what we need to transition away from petroleum products.