[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'T')he health care bill is a good idea, totally at the wrong time, it should have been done 25 years ago during the Ronald Reagan administration when we had a better government and leader..

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', '
')keep billions flowing to the pharmaceutical & medical company executives..

[AlexdeLarge]

This obscenity of a bill has no more to do with health care than CapNtax has to do with the environment.

It is all about power and growing the federal bureaucracy. It's the perfect blunt tool to control the behavior of the peasants. The legislation, through regulations, can be warped to touch every aspect of your life. Your neo-communist masters can, through health care, have a say in not only what doctor you can see and how he treats you, but what you eat, what you drive, where you work, how you work, and even how you play.

Next thing to achieve total control of the proletariat is CapNtax,,,,,,then they will truly have your nuts in vice as "they" decide what energy you can consume.

Is this the "Change" you "Hoped" for?????????????????????

[flapjax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'T')his obscenity of a bill has no more to do with health care than CapNtax has to do with the environment.

It is all about power and growing the federal bureaucracy. It's the perfect blunt tool to control the behavior of the peasants. The legislation, through regulations, can be warped to touch every aspect of your life. Your neo-communist masters can, through health care, have a say in not only what doctor you can see and how he treats you, but what you eat, what you drive, where you work, how you work, and even how you play.

Next thing to achieve total control of the proletariat is CapNtax,,,,,,then they will truly have your nuts in vice as "they" decide what energy you can consume.

Is this the "Change" you "Hoped" for?????????????????????

[mos6507]

The thing is, we had 8 years of trickle-down economics under Bush and how well did that work for us? For one thing, spending was high due to maintaining two wars and the military industrial complex. And loosening regulations only encouraged CEO abuses. So the conservative economic playbook is a patented failure.

You know what they say: insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[AlexdeLarge]

Health Care FARCE Voted Up Last Night
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1599-Health-Care-FARCE-Voted-Up-Last-Night.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he House Bill not only fails to address the problem but is an outrageously-broad and, I would argue, an unconstitutional reach into Americans most private parts. The Administration's own spokespeople admit this bill will cost us some 5.5 million jobs - on top of the 8 million we've already lost in the present economic malaise since the peak of employment in the summer of 2007. My "back of the envelope" computations are similar - I come up with 5 million jobs lost with a 20% variance and 95% confidence level - that is, somewhere between 4 and 6 million should be the total. Darn close, given that I'm not privvy to the Administration's facts and figures and am forced to work off published information.

When Pelosi and her gang of thugs took their place behind you they didn't even bother to snap on a glove first.

[highlander]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')his bill has done nothing to reform the system. It only serves to further steal from citizens to prop up a broken system and guarantee that a small segment of society is enriched.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', '
')http://jerrypournelle.com/view/2009/Q4/view595.html#Saturday

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')his bill has done nothing to reform the system. It only serves to further steal from citizens to prop up a broken system and guarantee that a small segment of society is enriched.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')I'm unelectable in today's politics.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')I'm unelectable in today's politics.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')Today's politics are full of 1) statist ninnies and 2) corrupt bastards. For an honest person to succeed there we would need to completely clean house.

[highlander]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') don't care what the bill says. And I'm not reading the 2000,00000,00000000 pages of it either. But let me unequivocally state no one is going to jail for failure to pay for medical insurance. That ain't gonna happen. Not in America. No way.

[rangerone314]

Libertarianism can't thrive in an environment in which that status quo is huge government.

The people will vote representatives in who they think will go to DC and send the largest chunk of their taxpayer money back to them. The larger the pot of money, the more the incentive for the political discussion to revolve around who can get the largest chunk of the pot.

Enough people work for gov who will vote against their own jobs being cut.

We live in a party system that is designed to perpetuate BAU and choke third parties, because "the party must go on!". And good luck getting re-elected once your reform-mindedness has gotten your corrupt comrades to choke off the money supply to your Congressional district.

People need to recognize that person driving our taxi is the same person that stole our car... (and that the taxi IS our car!)

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')ou know, not everyone treats statist like an epthet. Your arrogance to think that the world naturally skews libertarian is your weakness. Libertarianism is fringe which is why Ron Paul did so poorly. There are aspects of the libertarian agenda that might appeal to reformer types (audit the fed) but not the whole package (shut down the department of education).

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '
')The problem with Statist political ideologies like Socialism and Communism is that they are fundamentally antithetical to our Constitution.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '1'). If we have a constitutional crisis, then let the supreme court handle it. Until the matter comes up in a court battle, I don't see an issue. You've chosen to interpret the constitution one way, and the system has chosen another. The constitution is a living document otherwise blacks would still be considered three fifths of a citizen. It wasn't written on stone tablets.

2. You want to change things, vote for people who believe as you do. If they lose, then don't be a whiner.

3. I wasn't happy Bush won two terms, but you know what, that's life! You don't always get what you want.

4. But striking this fundamentalist tone that YOU know how to lead the US and all other attempts are dystopian (**cough** Alex Jones) just doesn't fly. It flies here because this place is predominately liberaterian tinfoilers, but not out in the real world (unless you watch Glenn Beck).

5. And you can call people sheeple all you want, but as long as they are VOTING sheeple, you have to speak to them as though they matter more than being an object of ridicule whenever they disagree with you (hence the epithet "statist", the Rush Limbaugh-style attempt to convert ideological labels like "librulz" into epithets).

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', ' ')My issue with this legislation is that "reform" only served to take money from citizens and pay it towards doctors

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'T')o me it looks like it takes money from citizens and pays it toward insurance companies. But maybe I am not understanding the provisions of the bill.

[timmac]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'T')he health care bill is a good idea, totally at the wrong time, it should have been done 25 years ago during the Ronald Reagan administration when we had a better government and leader..