[sittinguy]

Revi, thanks for the post ,, that is the first good laugh I have had in days. The whole thing is making me very depressed. They seem to be able to just cram anything up our asses they want.

[Revi]

Thanks. I was just wondering about the benefits package. I have to know my options.

[Isochroma]

Implicated: The Brazen Bull Cure for Healthcare



"His screams will come to you through the pipes as the tenderest, most pathetic, most melodious of bellowings."

If those without insurance cannot pay the fee, then jail will be their insurance. A place they can share with other victims - and criminals - like the vast numbers of War on Drug Users victims, etc.

In prison they can learn the pleasure of earning - for the State - the sum they owe or even more, depending on the depth of whore. Employed in the vast industrial workhouses - Newspeak Correctional Retraining or somesuch - for the profit of giant multinational corporations and their filthy-rich ruling-class owners.

The cost of such imprisonment would be borne by the State's beloved taxpayers, while its benefits would be enjoyed by the private contractors who build, staff and maintain these glorious institutions.

And let us not forget the excellent exercise inmates will be compelled to undertake for their new lords. Americans in particular might even catch a second peak of health during their incarceration, what with the minimal rations and long hard work hours. For all these benefits bestowed upon them, clients ought to be glad for having run afoul of the new mandatory health insurance law, or whatever other arbitrary, rights-violating law that got them there.

Thus the sublime perfection of the State's plans can now be clearly perceived. Close as a hair their plans do fair against the prime goal of total control.

In future not so distant armies of such downtrodden minions will shovel coal and mend sole in the darkly illuminated dungeons of privately contracted work prison complexes.

A return to the good old days (now known to the elites as "the excellent future days!") of workhouse times a thousand with all the benefits of gene-tagging, precise computer monitoring of all inmates at all times via implants and a rich sensor grid, remotely powered implanted lethal injectors to kill those who might manage to escape. No more need for roving militias or national guards to repress slave revolts.

No more need for guns once everyone who matters is securely inside or outside.

Betrothed and long ago wed in their complementary ways, both Police State and Corporate State will like twin snakes coil together to form the double-helix of the future's new DNA. And DNA itself, along with correct social heritage, will decide who is among the few inside the bubble of superprivilege-ultrawealth and who is encased in the toxic confines of the transnational prison-industrial megacomplex. Today's reality is but a rough precursor - a vague outline - for the perfection of tomorrow.

People who can't afford insurance ought to be imprisoned and worked to death for the profit of the super-rich. That is their most efficient use. Hitler made great money for his friends in industry by working prisoners to death - feeding them just enough to get some work out of them - for profit. It works quite well as an economic regime and has the secondary benefit of permanently removing surplus expendables from the population pool.

These vast institutions will be the ultimately voracious mouths that suck into their abyssal blackness first the criminals, then the poor and street people, next the former lower class, and onward until all but the diamond-toothed few stand upon the institutional and perhaps even biologic pyramid of total world slavery for their benefit alone.

Shoveling victims into their toothy, drooling mouths is the work of the State and its laws. And much work remains to be done, though the hardest part is already complete. Health-insurance law with prison punishment is only a frilly icing on a cake whose bulk is the Drug War and the concerted contributions of numerous other wars carried on quietly and indirectly by the State and Corporates on behalf of their constitutent and investor classes.

This Future Level Prediction has a Hellrated temperature of 230 degrees Centigrade. Its theme is psychotically co-consonant with the Brazen Bull: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull

[Outcast_Searcher]

Good comments. Reading through this discussion is much more productive than listening to our leaders (left or right) "discuss" health care on CSPAN.

It's too bad we seem to feel the need to solve ALL the problems at once. That guarantees a huge mess, or nothing meaningful gets done.

I have a solid policy with a fairly high deductible and a reasonable premium that works for me. It really frosts me that soon I will be FINED if I don't upgrade to a policy that covers whatever the government says I must have covered. If I can afford a deductible of X, why force one a tenth of X on me, and a much higher monthly premium?

No wonder they can't get a large majority of folks to agree with such nonsense.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'r')eally, a social security kind of a scam huh. How about those who never get to get old or sick? How about those who would prefer to have an extra (hefty) penny in their youth to an extra month worth of chemotherapy in their old age?

[kpeavey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

[AlexdeLarge]

Just as long as illegal aliens don't have to pay...............why that would be unamerican.!




HopeNchange

[Isochroma]

Chemo ought to be free for anyone below an income threshold, and mandatory in non-work prisons - if there are any.

Chemo is an excellent population control method. It kills 90%+ of its victims, as any cellular poison would. And of course it's enormously more profitable to chemical companies than cheap poisons.

Thus the taxpayer (read: non-rich) must enrich enormous private enterprise by paying extortionate rates for a lethal poison to be administered to the victims of corporate pollution-induced cancer, so that they may die in the most expensive way possible to maximize profit - or survive with chemo-brain damage.

No matter how he wiggles, today's Everyman will have his blood sucked out by the State and its Corporates on behalf of their investor classes.

The goal is to eliminate superfluous classes, and there's more of them every day. They will be profitably worked in superprisons or profitably poisoned in hospitals or their homes.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', '-')The death panel removes our right to Life..

[kpeavey]

220-215
the Bill passes the House

Ludi-Wait for it.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'L')udi-Wait for it.

[kpeavey]

It does not have to be part of the bill.
A virtual death panel will develop through bureaucratic policy decisions, administrative limits, departmental expansion, and budgetary considerations.

This is not a free lunch. Its the biggest blunder in the history of the US.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kpeavey', 'A') virtual death panel will develop through bureaucratic policy decisions, administrative limits, departmental expansion, and budgetary considerations.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'H')ere's the bottom line young whiners. You will pay if/when this horrible bill is passed by the federal legislature.

As for my family. We have excellent health coverage through my wife’s work. We're both "Baby Boomers" and we don't plan to retire until we're in our 80's so it's doubtful that we'll be using government paid healthcare for some time. On top of that I've vowed to self terminate if I become too ill. There's no point in dragging out misery.

So don't worry you won't have to carry me on your weak little backs, poor babies.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlexdeLarge', 'J')ust as long as illegal aliens don't have to pay...............why that would be unamerican.!




HopeNchange

[Golgo13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'H')ere's the bottom line young whiners. You will pay if/when this horrible bill is passed by the federal legislature.

[gwmss15]

That seems like a very stupid idea.

wouldnt it be better if everyone paid a small few hundred USD$ annual medical services tax on top of there income tax or even as a 1% rise in VAT tax applied at the national level.

Then this money could be used to fund a nationalized health system where the state pays for the majority of costs funded out of annual budgets and this new medical tax.

this would basically render medical insurance moot as the central govt would pay for most of it. Many other countries have similar programs that either 100% cover the cost of partly cover the medical and hospital costs for all people regardless of income.

Why the US tries to avoid this i have no idea it would probably create more jobs due the need for extra staff at the state run hospitals.

[Ferretlover]

How about all the medical services related companies charge a reasonable cost? Then, there would be little or no need for insurance assistance for any but the most involved cases?