[3aidlillahi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ere's the bottom line young whiners.

[Sixstrings]

Democrats? This healthcare travesty looks like what the John McCain plan was. I guess that makes sense, since the healthcare lobbyists were going to write the bill no matter who won the election.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'D')emocrats? This healthcare travesty looks like what the John McCain plan was. I guess that makes sense, since the healthcare lobbyists were going to write the bill no matter who won the election.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', ' ')The general idea of insurance-- i. e that healthy people pay for sick people's healthcare -- is an asbomination (sic).

[Revi]

At least they will get health care while they are in jail.

Isn't this like a debtor's prison?

[emersonbiggins]

If young people are forced to pay for old people's healthcare, then it's only fair that those paying should decide when/how old people should die...

[vision-master]

Your generation is so screwed,,,,,,,,,up..

[emersonbiggins]

At the very least, can we agree on no more "free" Viagra for old curmudgeons? Then our discussion can move on to the resale of non-vital organs as a source of revenue for paying down catastrophic medical debts.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', ':'):twisted: At the very least, can we agree on no more "free" Viagra for old curmudgeons? Then our discussion can move on to the resale of non-vital organs as a source of revenue for paying down catastrophic medical debts.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'O')h sheesh, are you saying the medicare prescription benefit covers viagra?? That's ridiculous.. if you want to have intercourse at 70 years of age, you should fork over the $10, not taxpayers.

[Livewire713]

They can send me to jail, no one's forcing me to buy insurance. I could barely afford the $175 a week they charged for my wife and I and we still owe over 25k for my wifes hospital bills. The reason its "only" 25k is because I went over every claim they denied and almost all of them were reconsidered and then 80% coverage was applied. One bill for over 6 grand was denied by the insurance company for no reason. It was a in network hospital but it was one of those deals where the insurance company didnt get the right form or the bill didnt have the right codes so they denied the charges. The hospital said it was right but the hospital proceeded to send me the bills. I called the insurance company and they said they would send them a letter to not send me the bill but the insurance company still wouldn't pay the bill. It was a joke. Then the hospital sends me a letter stating they will charge me the in network charge that the insurance company gets, it was $3500 cheaper with the in network discount. The insurance company gets that much of a discount and they still won’t pay but they tell you no discount but if you don't pay then they offer it to you. They didn't get a cent from me. I told them they should have continued to fight the insurance company. For me I would rather not have insurance if all you get is crap. Its expensive, didnt cover vision or dental and I couldnt afford anything else after paying the high premiums or deductibles and the cost of medications was shocking sometimes. If I get sick then so be it. Hopefully if that would happen it would be fast or Ill have to end it myself. The last thing I would do is ask for help.

[rangerone314]

I have an idea... people can be implanted with RFID tags if they have health insurance.

If someone comes into the hospital from an accident and their RFID tag is scanned and they don't have insurance, then they are taken back outside to die.

Solved that problem. Works for both illegal aliens and citizens who have no coverage.

[ECM]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') have an idea... people can be implanted with RFID tags if they have health insurance.

If someone comes into the hospital from an accident and their RFID tag is scanned and they don't have insurance, then they are taken back outside to die.

Solved that problem. Works for both illegal aliens and citizens who have no coverage.

[DomusAlbion]

ECM,

My post was directed to the young who argue that since their young and healthy they don't need health insurance. They're just wrong. At least they need catastrophic health insurance because if they don't have such and have a accident or acute onset of some illness then it falls on the rest of us to pick up the expense through higher costs for services. That is a selfish, short sighted attitude.

We are a nation, a people. We pay taxes for a lot of collective services whether we benefit directly or not. Decent, compassionate people take care of the collective, especially the weakest, the young and the old. Call is socialism if you wish but it’s still a good idea.

I don’t like the Federal government getting involved in this problem and I’m sure any bill they pass will make a mess of things. But if it at least forces everyone to be invested in the health care industry then we will all benefit. I don’t like the idea of people who don’t pay their fair share getting benefits.

[Livewire713]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DomusAlbion', 'E')CM,

My post was directed to the young who argue that since their young and healthy they don't need health insurance. They're just wrong. At least they need catastrophic health insurance because if they don't have such and have a accident or acute onset of some illness then it falls on the rest of us to pick up the expense through higher costs for services. That is a selfish, short sighted attitude.

We are a nation, a people. We pay taxes for a lot of collective services whether we benefit directly or not. Decent, compassionate people take care of the collective, especially the weakest, the young and the old. Call is socialism if you wish but it’s still a good idea.

I don’t like the Federal government getting involved in this problem and I’m sure any bill they pass will make a mess of things. But if it at least forces everyone to be invested in the health care industry then we will all benefit. I don’t like the idea of people who don’t pay their fair share getting benefits.

[IgnoranceIsBliss]

The problem is that under this stupid plan, the healthy young workers will not simply be allowed to purchase a "catastrophic" plan. Instead, everyone has to have a high level plan that covers everything, like mental health, etc. The government is mandating these cadillac plans for everyone and then expects the costs to come down! Not gonna happen. Oh, and don't forget that insurance companies are now going to be forbidden to charge old or sick people much more than young & healthy. Ok, so who is going to pay for the increased costs brought on by adding all of these sick or older new customers? Yep, insurance companies will be forced to raise rates on ALL of us to make up the difference since they can't charge the newcomers much more than the rest of us.

This plan is a major disaster in the works. I have an MBA and used to work in corporate benefits and am madder than a hornet over this mess. Congress is meddling in the market and it has no idea of the ramifications. Meanwhile, insurance companies get thousands of new customers, and get to raise rates on all of us. Also, we will have major doctor shortages with the addition of so many newly covered folks.

Oh, and the part about expanding Medicaid coverage is nuts. Much of that burden will be passed on to the states because the cost of Medicaid is shared by state and federal. It's cheaper for the feds to push certain folks into the Medicaid rather than put them in the public option. The HUGE problem is that Medicare is already crushing the state budgets. Add in milions for the new enrollees and you will see gross crowding out at the state level. (As in we have to cut pubic education by $100 million in order to pay for the new Medicare enrollees) NUTS!!!!!

[alecifel]

It's not going to pass. There aren't enough votes to get it through the House, and it doesn't stand a chance of getting 60% in the Senate. It will get dumped at the end of the session just like Hill/Billy Clinton's attempt at Commie Care.

[Revi]

Will we get full medical coverage during our year in jail?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IgnoranceIsBliss', ' ')everyone has to have a high level plan that covers everything, like mental health,

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ECM', ' ')even they told us it was better to put money away into an account to cover medical expenses.