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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30
by Ludi » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 21:11:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'E')xactly. I find it remarkable that these experts continue to argue endlessly
What "experts" are "arguing"? There is broad consensus in various scientific fields that we are messing up the planet quite seriously. The "endless arguement" about finer points is the process called "Science" but that doesn't (or shouldn't) distract from the major theme of the scientists' findings. I don't know how much clearer scientists are expected to be about the state of the planet and the threats to the future of Homo sapiens because of human activity.
Seriously. What more are they supposed to tell us?
"World Scientists' Warning to Humanity (1992)
Some 1,700 of the world's leading scientists, including the majority of Nobel laureates in the sciences, issued this appeal in November 1992. The World Scientists' Warning to Humanity was written and spearheaded by the late Henry Kendall, former chair of UCS's board of directors.
INTRODUCTION
Human beings and the natural world are on a collision course. Human activities inflict harsh and often irreversible damage on the environment and on critical resources. If not checked, many of our current practices put at serious risk the future that we wish for human society and the plant and animal kingdoms, and may so alter the living world that it will be unable to sustain life in the manner that we know. Fundamental changes are urgent if we are to avoid the collision our present course will bring about."
etc.
http://www.ucsusa.org/about/1992-world-scientists.html
and like that, endlessly. If we choose to ignore their warnings, it is our fault, not the fault of the "experts" who keep "arguing over finer points" (the process known as "science").
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30
by americandream » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 21:34:20
Ludi
Whilst there is as much confusion pervading this debate as there was in the heyday of market deregulation propagandising, I prefer to suspend belief in one or other view and go with my common sense.
However, AGW deniers are asking too much of me in holding to the view the man is incapable of ever impacting the planet in the current capitalist paradigm so to that extent, I prefer the caution of the AGW camp.
But to be honest, average Joes such as myself haven't a clue as to whats going on when we have to contend with contrary information purporting to demonstrate that the planet risks both warming terminally due to CO2 excess AND cooling due to sunspot absences.
What is a poor lawyer like me to make of all of this? However, cornucopians ask too much of me given their lamentable record in modelling the victory of free markets so I say, let AGW concerns prevail despite the uncertainty.
Whilst there is as much confusion pervading this debate as there was in the heyday of market deregulation propagandising, I prefer to suspend belief in one or other view and go with my common sense.
However, AGW deniers are asking too much of me in holding to the view the man is incapable of ever impacting the planet in the current capitalist paradigm so to that extent, I prefer the caution of the AGW camp.
But to be honest, average Joes such as myself haven't a clue as to whats going on when we have to contend with contrary information purporting to demonstrate that the planet risks both warming terminally due to CO2 excess AND cooling due to sunspot absences.
What is a poor lawyer like me to make of all of this? However, cornucopians ask too much of me given their lamentable record in modelling the victory of free markets so I say, let AGW concerns prevail despite the uncertainty.
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30
by Ludi » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 21:38:55
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But to be honest, average Joes such as myself haven't a clue as to whats going on when we have to contend with contrary information purporting to demonstrate that the planet risks both warming terminally due to CO2 excess AND cooling due to sunspot absences.
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But to be honest, average Joes such as myself haven't a clue as to whats going on when we have to contend with contrary information purporting to demonstrate that the planet risks both warming terminally due to CO2 excess AND cooling due to sunspot absences.
I suspect you are giving far too much weight to the "contrary information." But that's just my "average Joe" assessment of the information.
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30
by americandream » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 21:47:33
I most probably am which is why I defer to common sense rather than be swayed by risky interest groups with poor histories at modelling economics let alone the planet's eco-tolerances.
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But to be honest, average Joes such as myself haven't a clue as to whats going on when we have to contend with contrary information purporting to demonstrate that the planet risks both warming terminally due to CO2 excess AND cooling due to sunspot absences.
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But to be honest, average Joes such as myself haven't a clue as to whats going on when we have to contend with contrary information purporting to demonstrate that the planet risks both warming terminally due to CO2 excess AND cooling due to sunspot absences.
I suspect you are giving far too much weight to the "contrary information." But that's just my "average Joe" assessment of the information.
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