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Re: "CoLLapse" Trailer is out!

Unread postby FreedomSlave » Sun 25 Oct 2009, 11:11:25

It's the Onion A.V. Club, not "The Onion's" comedy writers.

Judge for yourself - their entire (serious) review is right here, along with several other movie reviews:

http://www.avclub.com/articles/toronto- ... _rss_daily
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Re: "CoLLapse" Trailer is out!

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Sun 25 Oct 2009, 11:16:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o, peak oil happened in 2000 rather than 2005 or 2008? Gold hit $2000/ounce already and we didn't notice it? The country disintergrated after Rita? The economy ended last March and just "shut down"? Shouldn't someone tell the 300 million people in this country that it has happened already and its only inertia keeping the planes in the air and the cars running?
A SocioEconomic Event mirrors EVERY OIL Watershed:

12122000. The EROEI dropped as Plataeu reached.

911. Another inflection towards Asymptote.

031703 Nearing PO.

May 2005 Asymptote Reached.

June 2007 Decline Begins as Merrill pulls Worthless CDO's
from Bear.

2010 Mexico cuts US oil exports to ZERO$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')OL :) I've had the same experience its a bit funny to realize that the real money is always made at the bottom after all the credit and leverage is gone.

This fundamental of economics is sobering and real. You only make money by investing past profits into future endeavors. Trying to leverage by borrowing from the future to make money now always eventually fails.

This is really the heart of what EROEI says by taking from future returns for today eventually you simply can't take any more and your left with immense leverage.
The instant the Fed cannot create more debt to keep the Hamsters pulling...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne of the things I'm trying to tell people is we can't borrow from the future if we want to move to a renewable society we have to dramatically cut our current consumption and redirect this energy/money/people to building the future but we have to work within the constraints of what we have. This probably means elimination of all outstanding debt i.e a global jubilee. We simply can't support it. But it also means elimination of any future debt i.e not only are the current debts erased but your not allowed to take on new ones.

So sure you get your 500k McMansion but the problem is if you try to sell it the buyer has to pay cash. I suspect you would be lucky to recover your down payment.
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Re: "CoLLapse" Trailer is out!

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 25 Oct 2009, 11:43:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'A') SocioEconomic Event mirrors EVERY OIL Watershed:
12122000. The EROEI dropped as Plataeu reached.
911. Another inflection towards Asymptote.
031703 Nearing PO.
May 2005 Asymptote Reached.
June 2007 Decline Begins as Merrill pulls Worthless CDO's
from Bear.
2010 Mexico cuts US oil exports to ZERO
Oh nonsense. Nobody has a clue what EROEI was in 2000 because the oilfields in question weren't even dead yet, and as Maddog has noted, you don't know the answer until the last barrel has been produced, and I'm pretty certain all the big fields producing then are still producing now. And you assume EROEI matters, when obviously it doesn't.

9/11 historical events have nothing to do with oil, we've been nearing PO for 20 years if Campbell is your reference, it isn't clear you know what an asymptote is let alone its relevance, confusing market issues in 2007 with anything related to oil is amusing, and predicting the future hasn't been a strong suite of peakers, so forgive me for waiting another 3 months to see how Mexican exports do.

Seriously mcgowanjm, Rupperts record is clear, and doesn't have any more connection to reality than your list.
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Re: "CoLLapse" Trailer is out!

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 25 Oct 2009, 15:31:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')rong. Net-energy analysis is performed before Energy-Dumb projects are initiated otherwise one is left merely with a boondoggles---corn ethanol, CTL etc.
Corn ethanol is in the tank of my car as I type this, planes are flying on GTL already, and Maddog's reference on the oil industry EROEI usefulness stands until you find a way to refute it, and to date, you haven't. The topic here is Pee is Mikes latest attempt to make November rent money without begging strangers for it...again. Text deleted.
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Re: "CoLLapse" Trailer is out!

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 17:09:20

Off topic and ad hom attack posts deleted. Behave yourselves.
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Re: "CoLLapse" Trailer is out!

Unread postby shortonsense » Tue 03 Nov 2009, 21:14:18

Go Ferret, go Ferret, go go go Ferret!

There is news on Mikes trailer release. On his website a few days ago he talked about a spectaculor early showing in Oregon.

Within hours, after a few people had commented on why they hadn't heard about it, the post was deleted, and replaced with one which said that Mike couldn't get preferential treatment for anyone, no home viewings, no other special viewings, everyone would just have to wait, including him, for the official roll out.

I smell conspiracy. First there was a showing. Then...everyone pretended it hadn't happened because...maybe it shouldn't have?

All very spooky, probably a CIA run black-op.

I wasn't willing to buy Mikes book, knowing in advance his reputation, but I read a library copy. I watched the trailer for the movie....I might be willing to let Mike collect his % of my money the evening I go to see it.
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Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby deMolay » Tue 10 Nov 2009, 20:17:35

Anybody seen Ruperts "Collapse" yet. http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/1380/1/
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby dukey » Wed 11 Nov 2009, 05:41:41

no but i really want to see it

His truth and lies of 911 was a mind blowing presentation, especially for how soon it was given after 911.
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 11 Nov 2009, 10:57:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'A')nybody seen Ruperts "Collapse" yet. http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/1380/1/


I plan on seeing it when it comes to town, should be good for a laugh if only because of how seriously Mike will undoubtedly take himself.

There is thread for Ruppert stuff where I have been putting other reviews of his "movie".
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby mcgowanjm » Wed 11 Nov 2009, 11:07:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'A')nybody seen Ruperts "Collapse" yet. http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/1380/1/


I plan on seeing it when it comes to town, should be good for a laugh if only because of how seriously Mike will undoubtedly take himself.

There is thread for Ruppert stuff where I have been putting other reviews of his "movie".


Ruppert resonated with me in that I had been looking extensively
for the Limits to Growth factor since 1978.

PO explained everything going back to Carter's Malaise speech and Nixon refusing dollars for gold and the wealthiest the Bottom 95% of Americans were was 1974.

They've know since 1979 that Ghawar would peak around 2003.
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 11 Nov 2009, 20:27:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '
')They've know since 1979 that Ghawar would peak around 2003.


Sorry to correct you, but Ghawar was supposed to be EMPTY by then, not peaked. Quite different things, with quite different consequences. So certainly no one was claiming Ghawar was going to peak early in the next century when the best estimates contemporaneous with the time said it would be empty when it reached 60 billion barrels or so.
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby Novus » Wed 11 Nov 2009, 21:44:01

I call BS on that assessment short. Oil fields never go empty. The oldest oil well in the world still pumps out a barrel of the black stuff every few days. West Texas still produces tens of thousands of barrels a day and those fields are pushing 90 years of continuous production. Ghawar will still be producing some oil in the year 2103. Peak Oil is not about fields going dry but fields peaking and then declining. When Ghawar peaked the KSA peaked as well and thus the world peaked.

The problem is that the world economy is predicated on exponential growth in energy and when that energy declines the economy will enter permanent recession, depression, and eventually "collapse" unless we can think of a new way of living and doing business.
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby shortonsense » Wed 11 Nov 2009, 21:51:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'I') call BS on that assessment short. Oil fields never go empty.


Really? Well, perhaps you should tell that to this one which apparently petered out in 1911 or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima,_Ohio

The exciting part!!!! :-D :-D

"With the discovery of oil in Lima in 1885, Ohio began what came to be called the “Oil Boom of Northwest Ohio.” Discovery actually began in Findlay, Ohio, a city forty miles north of Lima. The discovery of natural gas deposits there in 1884 led to national marketing efforts advertising free gas, as Findlay’s business leaders tried to “boom” the town."

The death. :( :(

"In 1911, the courts declared Standard Oil Trust a monopoly and broke it into several companies. Between 1887 and 1905, the Lima Oil Field was a world-class producer, yielding 300 million barrels (48,000,000 m3). Lima was also a pipeline center; within three years of the discovery of oil, a trunk line reached Chicago. Lima oil lit the buildings of the 1893 World’s Fair. Production peaked in 1904, and then dropped off rapidly. By 1910, the field was regarded as virtually played out."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')The oldest oil well in the world still pumps out a barrel of the black stuff every few days. West Texas still produces tens of thousands of barrels a day and those fields are pushing 90 years of continuous production. Ghawar will still be producing some oil in the year 2103. Peak Oil is not about fields going dry but fields peaking and then declining. When Ghawar peaked the KSA peaked as well and thus the world peaked.


Sorry, this isn't the place for an oil discussion. So I will simply reference JD's calculations on what people said Ghawar had in it, and how much has been produced, and presto!! Contemporaneous to the 1970's, it should be empty. Fact.

http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/200 ... empty.html
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby Novus » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 00:01:31

Having an oil discussion on a peak oil message board, imagine that. Peakoilbunked is nonsense. You have lost all credibility here. Putting you on ignore Shorty.
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 01:27:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'H')aving an oil discussion on a peak oil message board, imagine that. Peakoilbunked is nonsense. You have lost all credibility here. Putting you on ignore Shorty.


Sorry, but off topic is off topic.
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Re: Carolyn Baker Reviews "Collapse"

Unread postby shortonsense » Thu 12 Nov 2009, 03:24:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'D')oes anyone here not despise this trolling little twerp?

Show of hands?

Thought so.


Save it for the houseplants who think you are brilliant, lightweight.
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