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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby Lore » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 20:40:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')It was included as one of the last remarks, and oh by the way, AGW is not real, because Roy Spencer just said so. Which is Spencer's third or fourth attempt to make the Iris theory stick.


Thats not the name I was looking for, Spencer I'm familiar with. This guy is apparently even harder to dismiss than Spencer.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597

http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg ... 15n2g.html

This guy apparently has actually written some of the IPCC Chapters, and is more than a little unhappy with whats been going on. And qualifies as an expert right across the board.


Yeah... right, Lindzen is qualified with corporate payola.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to Ross Gelbspan in a 1995 article in Harper's Magazine, Lindzen "... charges oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels and a speech he wrote, entitled Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus, was underwritten by OPEC. However, according to Alex Beam in a 2006 article in the The Boston Globe, Lindzen said that although he had accepted $10,000 in expenses and expert witness fees from "fossil-fuel types" in the 1990s, he had not received any money from these since. Lindzen has elsewhere described the Gelbspan allegation as a "slander" and as "libelous".
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 20:48:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Yeah... right, Lindzen is qualified with corporate payola.


The beauty of science is, it doesn't matter where it comes from, as long as it holds up to the beating of other scientists. So rather than a simple ad hominem on his alleged paycheck, can you refute his science?

The IPCC decided he was good enough to write Chapters for their reports...are you saying that the IPCC lets in known provocateurs? Or did they get him involved for his vast knowledge, and became irritated when they couldn't browbeat him into groupthink? Certainly his documenting the changing of the reports for political purposes didn't go over well, and I don't even know if its been disputed. So he's honest as well as smart.
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby Lore » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 20:53:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Yeah... right, Lindzen is qualified with corporate payola.


The beauty of science is, it doesn't matter where it comes from, as long as it holds up to the beating of other scientists. So rather than a simple ad hominem on his alleged paycheck, can you refute his science?

The IPCC decided he was good enough to write Chapters for their reports...are you saying that the IPCC lets in known provocateurs? Or did they get him involved for his vast knowledge, and became irritated when they couldn't browbeat him into groupthink? Certainly his documenting the changing of the reports for political purposes didn't go over well, and I don't even know if its been disputed. So he's honest as well as smart.


His science is biased and he remains a corporate stooge. His unpublished opinions don't represent fact.
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby americandream » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 20:54:42

Fox, America's most pro-status-quo media outlet. Owned by an Aussie.

Beck's show fronted by a British hereditary peer, THE status quo?

Beck's complaining about a one world government!

Was there ever a moment in capitalist history when the world was not ruled from the only government that has mattered since its inception, the British.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'L')ord Christopher Monckton will be on Fox News Glenn Beck Show, with former UN Ambassador John Bolton, for the full hour today. This should be a real hoot. I challenge anyone to be able to keep up with the EPM (errors per minute). Check your local times.


Where is the reference to the MIT paper he was referring to? Has it been published yet? Awful hard to form an educated opinion without being able to see the actual science. Is the general assumption that people from MIT are automatically stupid because....they don't agree with groupthink?
So you actually listened to the junk? I can't stand that puffy white neutered arayan meathead.

And someone said MIT? Is that like Minds In Traction? Or Missing Information Trash? or Maybe Intelligent Thought?
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 20:55:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')His science if biased and he remains a corporate stooge. His unpublished opinions don't represent fact.


Oh...and your basis for knowing his science in biased? He was doing it before many here were even born. And the IPCC seemed to think he was qualified, are you claiming that they are incompetents when it comes to choosing the best people to write their Chapters in their reports?

How many of these are biased?

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen ... nsRSL.html

Or is it difficult to face the fact that those who were inside the process, and know more than any here on the topic, when their opinions disagree with groupthink the first thing to do is claim is that they are biased?
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby americandream » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:04:42

Are these the same doofuses who sold us sub-prime mortgages from inside THE PROCESS. Man, I had no idea you were so gullible! Don't you get it. TRUST NO ONE except your own common sense. All else is propaganda.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')His science if biased and he remains a corporate stooge. His unpublished opinions don't represent fact.


Oh...and your basis for knowing his science in biased? He was doing it before many here were even born. And the IPCC seemed to think he was qualified, are you claiming that they are incompetents when it comes to choosing the best people to write their Chapters in their reports?

How many of these are biased?

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen ... nsRSL.html

Or is it difficult to face the fact that those who were inside the process, and know more than any here on the topic, when their opinions disagree with groupthink the first thing to do is claim is that they are biased?
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:08:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')So I don't suppose your GW-Denier's antiquated theories are any more "scientific." :twisted:


Looks peer reviewed to me, nearly across the board. Certainly has a real science degree as well....not a teaching college in his background anywhere!
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby Lore » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:15:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')His science if biased and he remains a corporate stooge. His unpublished opinions don't represent fact.


Oh...and your basis for knowing his science in biased? He was doing it before many here were even born. And the IPCC seemed to think he was qualified, are you claiming that they are incompetents when it comes to choosing the best people to write their Chapters in their reports?

How many of these are biased?

http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen ... nsRSL.html

Or is it difficult to face the fact that those who were inside the process, and know more than any here on the topic, when their opinions disagree with groupthink the first thing to do is claim is that they are biased?


Yeah... ole two faced Lindzen, pulls punches in the published data but decries the abomination of AGW to the public, rather like Spencer.

Actually the IPCC brought in many skeptics into the process. I would say rather sporting , or is that honest of them?
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:37:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Yeah... ole two faced Lindzen, pulls punches in the published data but decries the abomination of AGW to the public, rather like Spencer.


Two faced isn't the issue either. Lindzen has a resume, and some very specific beefs about climate science and how it is being handled. His claims of the nonlinear nature of CO2 struck me as very interesting as well, but he didn't comment on how he knew this, only why it means that higher CO2 levels don't correlate with directly higher temperatures. It seems like that comment fits right in with the graphs which show no correlation between CO2 and temperature from the geology experts. There COULD be a correlation, but it only functions during early stages of CO2 rampup, which is much of what Lindzen seems to imply. Maybe. He discounts it pretty hard, so maybe, like the geologists, he thinks there is no connection at all.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Actually the IPCC brought in many skeptics into the process. I would say rather sporting , or is that honest of them?


Part of Lindzen's skepticism came AFTER seeing the IPCC in action, particularly the modifications to what the scientists actually wrote. That sounds like a completely reasonable beef to me...what are the political hacks doing rewriting the science conclusions for in the first place?
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby Vogelzang » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:39:06

AGW is shown more and more to be the organized crime system it really is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD1KFknxJ78

http://sciliterature.50webs.com/Climate.htm
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby Vogelzang » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:39:52

http://www.climatedepot.com
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:45:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', ' ')So I don't suppose your GW-Denier's antiquated theories are any more "scientific." :twisted:


Looks peer reviewed to me, nearly across the board. Certainly has a real science degree as well....not a teaching college in his background anywhere!
I always enjoy your veiled appreciation of my Pennsylvania State University Masters of Science degree. Thanks again :)


Go Rock!! ( Is that how they pretend it has value, by calling it a PA State University Masters of Science degree, versus "yo dude, you graduate from Slippery Rock too!" often called during the lunchtime rush at the McDonalds on south main? )

One minute you whine about peer reviewed science, the instant a lifetime of it shows up but doesn't agree with your belief system, its worthless.If thats what you were taught as a "scientist", I get to notice that he graduated from Harvard, and what that might mean in terms of quality when compared to...shall I be gentle...less reputable teaching "science" schools. :-D
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby Lore » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:50:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Yeah... ole two faced Lindzen, pulls punches in the published data but decries the abomination of AGW to the public, rather like Spencer.


Two faced isn't the issue either. Lindzen has a resume, and some very specific beefs about climate science and how it is being handled. His claims of the nonlinear nature of CO2 struck me as very interesting as well, but he didn't comment on how he knew this, only why it means that higher CO2 levels don't correlate with directly higher temperatures. It seems like that comment fits right in with the graphs which show no correlation between CO2 and temperature from the geology experts. There COULD be a correlation, but it only functions during early stages of CO2 rampup, which is much of what Lindzen seems to imply. Maybe. He discounts it pretty hard, so maybe, like the geologists, he thinks there is no connection at all.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')Actually the IPCC brought in many skeptics into the process. I would say rather sporting , or is that honest of them?


Part of Lindzen's skepticism came AFTER seeing the IPCC in action, particularly the modifications to what the scientists actually wrote. That sounds like a completely reasonable beef to me...what are the political hacks doing rewriting the science conclusions for in the first place?


I'm glad you're interested in Lindzen's resume and his "opinions", he should write a paper on them and have them published, don't you think? As far as the IPCC, his beef about the conclusions is that they didn't match what he thought they should, pure and simple.
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 21:58:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '
')Part of Lindzen's skepticism came AFTER seeing the IPCC in action, particularly the modifications to what the scientists actually wrote. That sounds like a completely reasonable beef to me...what are the political hacks doing rewriting the science conclusions for in the first place?

On the other hand, the linear nature of CO2 correlates well with the temperature gradient that functions during much of the preolithic runup of post industrial geology? Come sa?


Only part of the time does not much of a correlation make.

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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby shortonsense » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 22:03:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '
')I'm glad you're interested in Lindzen's resume and his "opinions", he should write a paper on them and have them published, don't you think? As far as the IPCC, his beef about the conclusions is that they didn't match what he thought they should, pure and simple.


Yeah...we shouldn't actually talk about his science where he blows up the entire modelers wet dreams, should we? What was it you say you wanted? Oh yeah...an actual paper...sure....

http://www.seas.harvard.edu/climate/sem ... l.2009.pdf
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Re: Monckton On Glenn Beck Today 10/30

Unread postby Vogelzang » Sun 01 Nov 2009, 22:06:51

Keep bumping this thread and more people will see what a bunch of criminals the followers of the false prophet Al Gore really are.
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