[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')Until we take that power back we are nothing but their slaves.

[efarmer]

AP rocks, nothing like a snap roll while you are looking past the prop
at the event horizon...

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', ' ')Until we take that power back we are nothing but their slaves.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')Quit your job and pull your money out of the bank. One less slave for the system.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')Quit your job and pull your money out of the bank. One less slave for the system.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')Quit your job and pull your money out of the bank. One less slave for the system.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')I'd like to know how one makes ends meet that way.

[mos6507]

Some more must-watch TV from PBS.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')Quit your job and pull your money out of the bank. One less slave for the system.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', ' ')I'd like to know how one makes ends meet that way.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '
')Bingo, THe US is a nation of friggin Zombies. .

[Revi]

We're just Zombie clowns aren't we?

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '
')Bingo, THe US is a nation of friggin Zombies. .

[patience]

It's done one step at a time, for most of us. We all know a lot of the steps. Get self reliant in every way you can. Food, energy, shelter, water, etc., are some of the categories to address. Let us all get poor enough, and we'll make a lot of those decisions, whether we want to, or not.

To starve the beast, start with the money game, and get out of it every way you can. Quit using credit, writing checks (you are loaning them money for nothing-use postal money orders instead of checks and credit cards to pay bills), pay and get paid in money, convert your money to real wealth (stuff that will help support you), home school your kids, take responsibility for your own health and safety (get rid of unnecessary insurance), deal in real money for real goods, and leave out the middleman wherever possible.

Example: If you can grow a small amount of wheat, grind your own flour, and do your own baking, think how many people will NOT be making a living from you buying bread! Each of them operates on CREDIT--farmers, millers, bakers, truckers, stores, gas stations that enabled you to drive to the store, and so on. EACH of those people support BANKS and useless bureaucrats. If farmers, millers, bakers and truckers can also begin to operate on a paying basis, instead of credit, the world will change.

[hardtootell-2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', 'I')t's done one step at a time, for most of us. We all know a lot of the steps. Get self reliant in every way you can. Food, energy, shelter, water, etc., are some of the categories to address. Let us all get poor enough, and we'll make a lot of those decisions, whether we want to, or not.
.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '
')

I just dont have enough time to list all the ways Ludi. Trust me its significant.

[mos6507]

This issue is not nearly as black and white as some of you make it out to be. For instance, I find it hard to relate to someone who rationalizes maintaining a career as an airline pilot, a truck driver, or someone who works in the Alberta tar sands. And yet some prominent peakers here do just that. However, on the other side of the spectrum, I don't feel the pressing need to pull my daughter out of public school or quit my programming job w/benefits and start a career as a small scale organic farmer. So there is no unanimity on what constitutes a virtuous life amid the last days of BAU.

But there is no shortage of holier than thou moralizing going on here...

So I guess what gets my goat the most are people who are living at the top of the pyramid being the ones whining the loudest about BAU. Even middle to low class americans have a much easier life than most people on the planet. But instead of appreciating what we've got, we have to find abstract things to whine about, that our "soul and spirit" are being crushed. Meanwhile a billion+ people on the planet are a little more concerned about simply putting food on the table. A hungry stomach trumps philosophy any day of the week.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '
')So I guess what gets my goat the most are people who are living at the top of the pyramid being the ones whining the loudest about BAU.

[mcgowanjm]

And so to recap:

We're past PO. The economy of perpetual growth is over. Ag is
producing as much as it can. And a billion + are going hungry everyday. While 200 000 people (est 70 000 000 +per year) added everyday.

While the message from the top is...out of touch. No one is listening. Obama is the last with any kind of creds vanishing rapidly.

We're losing at least a million jobs a month (in the US) while the Top 1% own 95% of all assets.

Am I missing something? Oh, latest climatologists-2C rise baked in.

something's got to give. The future is here. We just don't
recognize it yet.

[efarmer]

It is mighty grim indeed, rumor is, Ludi is going
to eat her avatar for Thanksgiving and then just
go with a zombie turkey skeleton after that...