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Re: A bleak picture as oil production slides

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 16 Oct 2009, 10:45:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '
')I don't know what you mean by "read a paper" or "watch some TV". Give me an idea about this "not seamless to others". Who are these "others" and what could possibly happen to them?


If a paper or a TV are too difficult to use as a source of information about what is happening around the country and globe, I would suggest an afternoon walk through any particular downtown area? Do you have one nearby? It strikes me that a reasonable experiment would be to count cars which are moving, obviously they have gasoline in them. Look for any large trucks with the words WalMart stenciled on the side, they were supposed to stop running in a "bleak picture as oil production slides", so seeing even one of them is a sign that perhaps things aren't as bad as has been claimed.

Abandoned tractors in the fields would be a sign, but might be difficult to find without yourself using gasoline to find them, and gasoline is supposed to be suffering shortages, so maybe a bicycle ride through the countryside?

How about Craigslist? Call some people selling their cars and ask them if it is because they can't find gas for them? All of these examples should show you how AWFUL the transition is, versus something more "seamless". Visit a new car dealership and see if a single truck has been sold in the given month? Go to the grocery store and check the shelf stocking? They are supposed to be empty, if things aren't going seamlessly.

Are any of these reasonable for you to do to determine the degree of "seamless" in your area?

If I knew of any places in the US where crude was taken straight from a well and dumped into aluminum cans and lit as an efficient way to cook food, I would recommend tracking those people down and seeing if they are still able to do this.
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Re: A bleak picture as oil production slides

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 16 Oct 2009, 10:46:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'S')horty, why would the The Canadian Energy Research Institute acknowledge peak oil?


CERI listed the article on their website whereby actual reservoir engineers debunked SImmons. If you wish to discuss it, take it to that thread. It should be easy to find, its another one of those times you tucked tail and ran from the appropriate venue.
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Re: A bleak picture as oil production slides

Unread postby thuja » Fri 16 Oct 2009, 11:26:19

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Are any of these reasonable for you to do to determine the degree of "seamless" in your area?

If I knew of any places in the US where crude was taken straight from a well and dumped into aluminum cans and lit as an efficient way to cook food, I would recommend tracking those people down and seeing if they are still able to do this.


Still not seeing an answer to the question- What does "not seamless to others" mean?
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Re: A bleak picture as oil production slides

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 16 Oct 2009, 19:49:57

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Are any of these reasonable for you to do to determine the degree of "seamless" in your area?

If I knew of any places in the US where crude was taken straight from a well and dumped into aluminum cans and lit as an efficient way to cook food, I would recommend tracking those people down and seeing if they are still able to do this.


Still not seeing an answer to the question- What does "not seamless to others" mean?


Using your concerns, those who drive F150's, and can't replace it with a Prius, upon being forced to drive less to compensate, are affected. Therefore, the change for them is not seamless. Hows that work? Just imagine the drivers frustration, its date night, he REALLY wants to go do some burnouts to attract some ladies at the local mall, and if he does, he'll use $20 in gas which he was saving for cigarettes. So...its either the burnouts and possible procreation, or the cigarettes. The dilemma is irritating for certain, and the transition to a higher priced fuel environment will have just clobbered him, causing him to curse big oil, or big tobacco, but a choice which he could normally avoid, is now forced upon him. Certainly, "not seamless" no mo. :-D
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Re: A bleak picture as oil production slides

Unread postby thuja » Fri 16 Oct 2009, 19:54:23

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Are any of these reasonable for you to do to determine the degree of "seamless" in your area?

If I knew of any places in the US where crude was taken straight from a well and dumped into aluminum cans and lit as an efficient way to cook food, I would recommend tracking those people down and seeing if they are still able to do this.


Still not seeing an answer to the question- What does "not seamless to others" mean?


Using your concerns, those who drive F150's, and can't replace it with a Prius, upon being forced to drive less to compensate, are affected. Therefore, the change for them is not seamless. Hows that work? Just imagine the drivers frustration, its date night, he REALLY wants to go do some burnouts to attract some ladies at the local mall, and if he does, he'll use $20 in gas which he was saving for cigarettes. So...its either the burnouts and possible procreation, or the cigarettes. The dilemma is irritating for certain, and the transition to a higher priced fuel environment will have just clobbered him, causing him to curse big oil, or big tobacco, but a choice which he could normally avoid, is now forced upon him. Certainly, "not seamless" no mo. :-D


So seamless for you would be people who can't afford a Prius and have to pay higher gas prices? Would that be right?
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Re: A bleak picture as oil production slides

Unread postby shortonsense » Fri 16 Oct 2009, 21:14:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', '
')So seamless for you would be people who can't afford a Prius and have to pay higher gas prices? Would that be right?


You asked about "seamless for others". I already know what my seamless is, peak oil happened, some of us mitigated it really well, remember? And I'm now paying less for energy across the board. I'll get back to you in a year when we see how those who transport goods mitigate their own costs, and how that mitigation works its way into the grocery store. And if I consider those costs "seamless" as in, "just like normal food inflation", or not.
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