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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby shortonsense » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 18:20:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')hat are you talking about?


Read the article...repeat after me...US leading the way...lots of natural gas.....in formations which are everywhere...and my comment was that we won't get into wholesale conversion until we use up some more of the odd trillions of barrels of oil we have yet to use.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pstarr', '
')You need to use the limited time you have been granted on this lovely green earth doing nice things. Not nonsensical things. Do you understand that?


I'm not the one acting confused, or who got a science degree where I wasn't taught about sublimation. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby shortonsense » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 19:04:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'I')'m not the one acting confused, or who got a science degree where I wasn't taught about sublimation. :lol: :lol:
Sublimation? Are you referring to the endothermic phase transition that solid methane hydrates undergo during futile attempts at production?


You mean you finally Wiki'd something before exposing how little you know about the topic!! Pstarr! I'm so proud!!

Now if we can just get you to stop making up science disciplines of various sorts ( is that what Slippery Rock did, got bored cranking out public school teachers, sitting around the faculty lounge one day, said, "Hey! I got an idea! Lets pretend we can teach science to those who want to be snooty to the teaching students but can't get into a real college, we can charge them more, make them stick around for a Master degree, get a warm body in a seat for a few more years, and then pretend they know more than the kids heading out to teach spelling to kindergarden kids!") we'll be set!
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby shortonsense » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 19:23:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'W')TF are you to question the Pennsylvania state college system?


I spent 1-1/2 semesters in it.

Halfway through semester #2, I received an offer to go consulting internationally, and I had those work documents, a passport, and a plane ticket in my hand so fast it made my wife's head spin.

I still use stories from that experience to make points within the administration of where I work now.
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby Revi » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 19:44:02

This natural gas is a great thing if it works. There is a lot of Marcellus shale that will yield gas.

I feel like this is the last gasp of a planet that's been tapped out.

This may be the last energy with a decent EROEI we'll get.

Time to take it and make lots of renewable energy collectors with it.

This could be the resource that makes a transition possible, like T-Boone thought.

It's like we found a 20 in the couch cushion when thought we had no money left.

Are we going to spend it on groceries or are we going to blow it on beer?
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby eastbay » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 20:10:28

Good points Revi. But I think humanity will set fire to it's finite endowment of NG as fast as it can be produced. And it won't take all that long to accomplish either.
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby Pops » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 20:14:18

Anyone have other links about the process?

Lets not get too off topic, OK?
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Re: Energy crisis is postponed as new gas rescues the world

Postby Carlhole » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 20:20:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', 'h')ttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6299291/Energy-crisis-is-postponed-as-new-gas-rescues-the-world.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')merica is not going to bleed its wealth importing fuel. Russia's grip on Europe's gas will weaken. Improvident Britain may avoid paralysing blackouts by mid-decade after all.


Golly... How many swift kicks to the balls can the peak oil theory withstand?
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby Pops » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 20:32:58

OK boys and girls, from this post forward keep the posting factual and on topic and quell the urge to root for your favorite team.

I won't give further warning before I delete OT posts.
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby Revi » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 20:50:47

Here's some info on Marcellus shale:

http://geology.com/articles/marcellus-shale.shtml
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby americandream » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 21:01:38

What you so pleased at? The fact that the masters of capital will squeeze the last drops of fuel in prolonging casino capitalism or that your planet will look like a porta-loo after a rock concert when they're done with it?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'I')'m not the one acting confused, or who got a science degree where I wasn't taught about sublimation. :lol: :lol:
Sublimation? Are you referring to the endothermic phase transition that solid methane hydrates undergo during futile attempts at production?


You mean you finally Wiki'd something before exposing how little you know about the topic!! Pstarr! I'm so proud!!

Now if we can just get you to stop making up science disciplines of various sorts ( is that what Slippery Rock did, got bored cranking out public school teachers, sitting around the faculty lounge one day, said, "Hey! I got an idea! Lets pretend we can teach science to those who want to be snooty to the teaching students but can't get into a real college, we can charge them more, make them stick around for a Master degree, get a warm body in a seat for a few more years, and then pretend they know more than the kids heading out to teach spelling to kindergarden kids!") we'll be set!
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby PeakKYJelly » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 21:17:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'H')ere's some info on Marcellus shale:

http://geology.com/articles/marcellus-shale.shtml


$1 trillion in the ground. Wow!
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby shortonsense » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 21:30:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hat you so pleased at? The fact that the masters of capital will squeeze the last drops of fuel in prolonging casino capitalism or that your planet will look like a porta-loo after a rock concert when they're done with it?


When "the last few drops of fuel" actually translates to "enough energy to power the planet at current rates for another century or two without breaking a sweat", I think its time to tone down the hyperbole?

And if they can clean up the Ohio River, you can't say that they can't do the same elsewhere.
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby SeaGypsy » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 22:01:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hat you so pleased at? The fact that the masters of capital will squeeze the last drops of fuel in prolonging casino capitalism or that your planet will look like a porta-loo after a rock concert when they're done with it?


When "the last few drops of fuel" actually translates to "enough energy to power the planet at current rates for another century or two without breaking a sweat", I think its time to tone down the hyperbole?

And if they can clean up the Ohio River, you can't say that they can't do the same elsewhere.


Our resident peak oil denier strikes again. You really don't get the term do you shorty? For BAU to continue we don't need to power the planet at current rates; we need an ever increasing supply of power.

Right now 90%+ of Chinese and Indians do not own a car. They are very busily building them to run on OIL. The entire system is built on growth of oil supply not stability. Even if your wildly optimistic assertion was true we are still in deep shite as stable oil equals flatlining production.
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby americandream » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 22:30:01

Wat the heck have facts to do with hyperbole?

Casino capitalism - Yes. Or are you asleep?

Increasingly fouled planet - yes. Or are you slumbering Sleeping Beauty?

Moderate your hysteria and examine the facts. This casino will plunder on so don't fret.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/stor ... 52,00.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'W')hat you so pleased at? The fact that the masters of capital will squeeze the last drops of fuel in prolonging casino capitalism or that your planet will look like a porta-loo after a rock concert when they're done with it?


When "the last few drops of fuel" actually translates to "enough energy to power the planet at current rates for another century or two without breaking a sweat", I think its time to tone down the hyperbole?

And if they can clean up the Ohio River, you can't say that they can't do the same elsewhere.
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby shortonsense » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 22:32:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', ' ')For BAU to continue we don't need to power the planet at current rates; we need an ever increasing supply of power.


Not on a per capita basis we don't. And we certainly can change the amount per capita as we've already demonstated back in the 80's.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')Right now 90%+ of Chinese and Indians do not own a car. They are very busily building them to run on OIL. The entire system is built on growth of oil supply not stability. Even if your wildly optimistic assertion was true we are still in deep shite as stable oil equals flatlining production.


Then each car will have to use less. Thats hybrids, and they've been mainstream for a decade now. Next up? PHEV's and EV's. Just because things are the way they are TODAY doesn't mean they have to be that way TOMORROW. What is it about perfectly obvious change which irritates Peakers so much? There used to be more electrics on the road in the US than ICE powered ones....gasoline only won because it was CHEAP. Maybe random wasteful transport won't be as cheap as it was in the past, it certainly isn't going away just because crude CONTINUES ( its been ongoing since 1969 or so, lets not forget! ) to become gradually more expensive.
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby americandream » Mon 12 Oct 2009, 23:27:19

Utter nonsense. Whose going to tell the Chinese or Indians to use their SUV's or sports hatch's less frequently? The same ads that implore us on the one hand to save the planet and in the next, to buy super cars with sex appeal?

The capitalist is not willingly going to sacrifiie his profit margins to save the planet or its scarce resources. Most of my business clients are like you..sceptical to the hilt, aggressively so in fact. They have a good reason. They know that any regulation of the market will hit their bottom line. Any they own the lobbyists, politicians and media all over this world.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', ' ')For BAU to continue we don't need to power the planet at current rates; we need an ever increasing supply of power.


Not on a per capita basis we don't. And we certainly can change the amount per capita as we've already demonstated back in the 80's.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', '
')Right now 90%+ of Chinese and Indians do not own a car. They are very busily building them to run on OIL. The entire system is built on growth of oil supply not stability. Even if your wildly optimistic assertion was true we are still in deep shite as stable oil equals flatlining production.


Then each car will have to use less. Thats hybrids, and they've been mainstream for a decade now. Next up? PHEV's and EV's. Just because things are the way they are TODAY doesn't mean they have to be that way TOMORROW. What is it about perfectly obvious change which irritates Peakers so much? There used to be more electrics on the road in the US than ICE powered ones....gasoline only won because it was CHEAP. Maybe random wasteful transport won't be as cheap as it was in the past, it certainly isn't going away just because crude CONTINUES ( its been ongoing since 1969 or so, lets not forget! ) to become gradually more expensive.
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Re: Is Peak Oil over? This article says it is

Postby hardtootell-2 » Tue 13 Oct 2009, 00:36:19

Hmm there are doubters still!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD9B9R9BO0

They are saying shale gas is not nearly as large and as profitable as being claimed
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