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Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 15:42:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')Gold is responding to the same pressures it has always responded to for the past few years. It didn't rise today solely on fears of the dollar losing its reserve-currency status. The thing about the dollar is that EVERYONE owns too much of them. It would not be in ANYONE'S interest for the move away from the dollar to be anything but a slow adjustment over a prolonged period of time.

But I have no doubt that the dollar will eventually lose its reserve currency status, simply because America no longer enjoys the world-dominating economics that it once held. This is an inevitable thing.


Excellent observation. Todays move was just another kick in the pants. Expect more kicks.... 8O
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby patience » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 15:56:40

Geodesic said:
"Put your money where your mouth is."

Done that. Deep into self reliance, preps, some silver, money in rural real estate, family on board, etc. Last year, I started hedging for imports going up, notably consumer goods. We went through everything we own and decided if it needed replaced, and if it was imported, we bought more. We produce a significant % of our own food, electricity, home heating, and have a machine/sheet metal/welding fabrication/woodworking shop. I do leather work and my wife does sewing, canning/food preservation and is a nurse. My daughter does shop work and is a chemistry major and herbalist. Son in law is a chiropractor/nutritionist. Another son in law is a metalworker and has a forestry degree. He and the older daughter live on a 32 acre off-grid homestead close to us. Now setting up to work their homestead with horses.

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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 16:23:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
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Darn tootin'. I dern near doubled it in assorted energy service stocks since early this year. If I had followed the 'experts' and went to cash I would have done like 1% too. US cash blows. Stay away from it.


I just calculated it out. I made 42%. Could have been better but not every one I picked was a big winner. Still I'm not complaining, those were great returns.


Congrats on some great picks.

I'm still in. Bought a boatload in March. I think energy service stocks etc. have a bit more to run. After all, oil is only at $70 now.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby Carlhole » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 16:43:33

Russia Today: "The Dollar Funds America's Wars"

I think you have to register (free) to see this story... and it's sort of frustrating that the feed is so slow. Download it. It will take about 15 minutes.

It's an interview with an American investment guy, Max Kaiser, about this dollar story.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby oswald622 » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 16:55:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')The thing about the dollar is that EVERYONE owns too much of them.


That's patently false. I do not own too many of them. :wink:
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby basil_hayden » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 18:01:56

Americans can't switch to the metric system in over 30 years, yet the article expects Americans to move to a new currency in 9 years? Fat chance.

It will still be called the dollar, and it will be even more worthless than it is now.


Arabs plotting to drop dollar - so they realized oil is worth more than a promise to pay for it?
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 18:05:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'A')mericans can't switch to the metric system in over 30 years, yet the article expects Americans to move to a new currency in 9 years? Fat chance.


What a bad analogy. There is no force to pressure people into using the metric system. But if the dollar collapses something will have to come along to replace it whether people like it or not.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby americandream » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 19:01:42

This makes absolutely no sense. Why would global capital plot to remove the pointman in the march towards an open, border free market. There is no one capable of taking on that role at the moment. China is completely dependant on American commercial, industrial and financial know how, Europe lacks the cohesion and creativity, the Arab world - well what can I say, an oil centric economy utterly dependant on a stable status quo. This is utter nonsense.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 19:07:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'A')mericans can't switch to the metric system in over 30 years, yet the article expects Americans to move to a new currency in 9 years? Fat chance.

It will still be called the dollar, and it will be even more worthless than it is now.


Arabs plotting to drop dollar - so they realized oil is worth more than a promise to pay for it?
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby Revi » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 21:43:27

This could have something to do with the dollar's recent fall:

http://dailyreckoning.com/it%e2%80%99s- ... r-dollars/

The G-20 decided to let the dollar keep sliding at their most recent meeting.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby americandream » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 22:36:47

Slide, not collapse..two quite different concepts.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')his could have something to do with the dollar's recent fall:

http://dailyreckoning.com/it%e2%80%99s- ... r-dollars/

The G-20 decided to let the dollar keep sliding at their most recent meeting.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby copious.abundance » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 22:50:52

Another rumor bites the dust.

>>> Gulf Officials Deny Plan to Replace Dollar <<<
Stuff for doomers to contemplate:
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1190117.html#p1190117
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1193930.html#p1193930
http://peakoil.com/forums/post1206767.html#p1206767
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby eastbay » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 22:53:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')his could have something to do with the dollar's recent fall:

http://dailyreckoning.com/it%e2%80%99s- ... r-dollars/

The G-20 decided to let the dollar keep sliding at their most recent meeting.


Thanks Revi. If any of you have a few minutes read the Forbes article linked from that article:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/05/dollar ... ner=alerts

Further inflation coming.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 22:56:01

Look, everyone's waiting for the other shoe to drop. The situation is chaotic. The natives are getting restless over the dollar. That is clearly not tinfoil. Amero, well, that's tinfoil, IMHO. But it is in no way irrational to be concerned about the dollar. We don't know all the details how this is going to play out, but it's not going to be pretty whatever it is.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 23:29:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'A')nother rumor bites the dust.

>>> Gulf Officials Deny Plan to Replace Dollar <<<



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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 07 Oct 2009, 00:14:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')his makes absolutely no sense. Why would global capital plot to remove the pointman in the march towards an open, border free market. There is no one capable of taking on that role at the moment. China is completely dependant on American commercial, industrial and financial know how, Europe lacks the cohesion and creativity, the Arab world - well what can I say, an oil centric economy utterly dependant on a stable status quo. This is utter nonsense.


Have you noted any unbridled success at the WTO meetings among member nations lately? Most meetings end in utter failure. The Chinese are NOT dependent on American know how. They leveraged all the know how they could while the world appeared to be marching toward completely open markets. Now they've got it. They've got a space program for God's sakes. They are a highly sophisticated technological industrial nation, with super power status. Their currency is well positioned to take over where the U.S. dollar left off. The world is moving toward regional trading blocs, cartels, with the ASEAN countries in the lead.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby americandream » Wed 07 Oct 2009, 00:16:58

The ramifications of a dollar collapse all around the world are of the magnitude that unless the Chinese were planning on putting back the clock to Mao, the Russians, the resurrection of the USSR and the ME on swiftly reducing their worth to valueless, I can't see this happening. If anything, I suspect that they will work towards reviving the ailing American consumer as quickly as they can.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', 'A')nother rumor bites the dust.

>>> Gulf Officials Deny Plan to Replace Dollar <<<



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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 07 Oct 2009, 00:23:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he ramifications of a dollar collapse all around the world are of the magnitude that unless the Chinese were planning on putting back the clock to Mao, the Russians, the resurrection of the USSR and the ME on swiftly reducing their worth to valueless, I can't see this happening. If anything, I suspect that they will work towards reviving the ailing American consumer as quickly as they can.


They would certainly do this if they could,, granted., but America is destroying it's currency, so it makes more sense for foreigners to bail on the dollar now rather than later. Reviving the American consumer is not an option, not feasible at this point.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby americandream » Wed 07 Oct 2009, 00:33:26

China is essentially a front for American corporations. You have to see it to believe it. Basically, your American business owning class have transferred shop, lock. stock and barrel to China. If China is sovereign, it is to the extent that the leadership co-operates in ensuring that the country is safe and stable for foreign investment. For that, comes vast wealth and the development of the country with foreign money. Consider that much of China's trade surplus is essentially America's surplus held within China by an American entity with a Chinese face.

China is still totally dependant on American (America is the largest Western investor by far) know how in capitalism. The Europeans would obviously like a bit of the action but America has a virtual monopoly on Chinese investment. I don't think the full story is capable of being grasped, labouring as many do under nationalistic notions but China Incorporated (the American Corporation in other words) needs Walmart US like a druggie needs his pusher.

Obviously countries such as Pakistan with some technical capability would like to have a similar arranemenbt with American business but China has the advantage of it command structure, no democracy, no religion and a highly literate population. This is all music to an investors ears. Investors care not a whit for whether you are American or Chinese.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')his makes absolutely no sense. Why would global capital plot to remove the pointman in the march towards an open, border free market. There is no one capable of taking on that role at the moment. China is completely dependant on American commercial, industrial and financial know how, Europe lacks the cohesion and creativity, the Arab world - well what can I say, an oil centric economy utterly dependant on a stable status quo. This is utter nonsense.


Have you noted any unbridled success at the WTO meetings among member nations lately? Most meetings end in utter failure. The Chinese are NOT dependent on American know how. They leveraged all the know how they could while the world appeared to be marching toward completely open markets. Now they've got it. They've got a space program for God's sakes. They are a highly sophisticated technological industrial nation, with super power status. Their currency is well positioned to take over where the U.S. dollar left off. The world is moving toward regional trading blocs, cartels, with the ASEAN countries in the lead.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Unread postby americandream » Wed 07 Oct 2009, 00:48:21

I am of the view that the emerging global market is essentially deflationary cost wise and that America's inflationary policies will in essence be offset by imported deflation. Whats the bet had Bush been in office, all these woeful tales of inflation which I have yet to see, would have been a lot more silent.

Having said that, I suspect Obama was put in place to push through policies that would not have otherwise seen the light of day, under the guise of Keynesianism, given the teething problems that have arisen with the field testing of the credit market on the Americans.

America is nonethless being prepared for another long period of Republican rule after Obama has done his job, and even more market deregulation and employment casualisation, as is the rest of the world.

In the interim, the less informed will obviously top up on gold and other safe haven investments in preparation for doomsday which the prophesying of has itself become a boom industry.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he ramifications of a dollar collapse all around the world are of the magnitude that unless the Chinese were planning on putting back the clock to Mao, the Russians, the resurrection of the USSR and the ME on swiftly reducing their worth to valueless, I can't see this happening. If anything, I suspect that they will work towards reviving the ailing American consumer as quickly as they can.


They would certainly do this if they could,, granted., but America is destroying it's currency, so it makes more sense for foreigners to bail on the dollar now rather than later. Reviving the American consumer is not an option, not feasible at this point.
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