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Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby IslandCrow » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 09:13:15

At the same time maybe China would more freely tie its currency to a basket- Too long it has been closely corrolated to the dollar as it weakens, making their exports cheaper.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby patience » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 11:18:56

Okay. What happens now?

Dollar is down some, Gold price hit a record $1042.70 today, silver is up to $17.36. Oil bounced above $71 yesterday, but dropped back some this morning.

What's next? We wait for the shoe to drop, if/when this is no longer denied, as it was today, then oil goes up, along with all other US imports?
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby mcgowanjm » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 11:36:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', 'E')ven for Weimar Republic hyperinflation took few years to speed up. It takes time, but the trend is obvious.
And don't forget people , we've peaked, and this move to take USA out of the game helps everyone.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Real rate of interest has been near zero since Oct 2001


We've just come thru our HI 30 years period.

Now actuals are being matched up with Derivatives and there's
a $1.35 Quadrillion shortfall.

The Bond Market is now EVERYTHING.
No one's going to lend to the US w/o a quid pro quo on top of
the nominal bond rate. Ex-how many oil tankers/pipelines will the US allow to be diverted? How much grain will be diverted?
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby RonMN » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 12:35:17

Patience, ofcourse we sit & wait for the next shoe to drop...what else can we do? (perhaps buy more ammo & canned goods...but I assume you've already done that).

This story has more legs than I thought it would. Already saw it on CNBC & I find the denials of ALL the countries listed in the report to be quite disturbing. If there was no truth to this it would take weeks to get everybody to deny it.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby mcgowanjm » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 12:38:55

Robert Fisk is the Tell. He is not the finance GoTo Guy.

This is not Hyperinflation but Declaration of War.

Instead of HI we'll get Rationing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o the Ministry the scheme had the great advantage of being infinitely adjustable. If tinned sardines or baked beans proved too popular and stocks began to run low, they simply raised their points value; if cream crackers or tapioca were piling up unwanted, they had only to cut it to clear the shelves. Guessing, towards the end of a rationing period, which items were likely to go up or down, added a new interest to the weary routine of catering for a family, and housewives turned to the list of 'Changes in Points Value’ in the newspaper with all the zeal of a gambler looking for the racing results. To discover some points 'bargain’ was also a matter for deep satisfaction. The outstanding 'buy’ was generally agreed to be the large tin of American sausage meat which cost a whole sixteen points, but besides providing enough meat for several main meals contained a thick layer of nearly half a pound of fat, invaluable for cooking.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Carlhole » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 12:59:23

No reaction in the markets.

Looks like this story will only be a big deal on PO.com.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Sixstrings » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 13:04:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'N')o reaction in the markets.

Looks like this story will only be a big deal on PO.com.


Looks that way

CNBC headline:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Stocks Jump Over 1% Amid Recovery Hopes


Dow up 126..
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby eastbay » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 13:14:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'N')o reaction in the markets.

Looks like this story will only be a big deal on PO.com.


Gold at $1040. The dollar/euro at $147.35. Funny how a story 'without merit' can move markets.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Geodesic » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 13:20:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('patience', 'O')kay. What happens now?

Dollar is down some, Gold price hit a record $1042.70 today, silver is up to $17.36. Oil bounced above $71 yesterday, but dropped back some this morning.

What's next? We wait for the shoe to drop, if/when this is no longer denied, as it was today, then oil goes up, along with all other US imports?


What else can you do besides wring your hands and cower in a corner? Put your money where your mouth is. If you believe in "peak everything" go long gold, oil, silver, tin, copper, neodium, corn, sugar, wheat, rice and other commodities. Working pretty well for me except that damn CALL DEC 09 NY LT CRUDE 1400. Looks like that will be out of the money unless someone blows up Iran, but can't win em all.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Revi » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 13:29:58

I think to go long you have to think long term. It's great that everything is up today, but what I really care about is in about 10 years when I cash out and try to eke a living off of what I invested in.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby mcgowanjm » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 13:34:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'N')o reaction in the markets.

Looks like this story will only be a big deal on PO.com.


And that IS the story.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')NGC-Hinduja JV loses Iran's oilfield to China co
October 01, 2009 10:31 IST
Tags: South Azadegan, NICO, South Pars, ONGC Videsh, west Iran

An ONGC rigIn a major setback to India's oil diplomacy, the ONGC-Hinduja Group alliance has lost the rights to develop Iran's South Azadegan oilfield to CNPC of China.


The US and it's allies are taking hits across the board and yet

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'f')rom Janet Tavakoli, author of "Dear Mr. Buffett" in an interview with Max Keiser:

"Regarding the outlook, my analysis is grim. I am not a doomsayer, I follow the cash, and so far, I've been correct, and the government has been wrong. Here's the situation. We are at greater risk of a total meltdown due to a deflationary collapse than we were in 2007.


The UK:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ONDON (Reuters) - Industrial output plunged unexpectedly in August and at its sharpest monthly pace since January, according to official data, denting hopes for a strong rebound in growth in the third quarter of this year.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')“We underscore our concerns over illicit finance emanating from Iran and the severe deficiencies in its regulatory regime,” US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said at an IMF International Monetary and Financial Committee meeting in Istanbul.

“We emphasize FATF (Financial Action Task Force) statements calling upon the international community to implement countermeasures to protect the international financial system from money laundering and terror financing risks emanating from Iran.

“We further urge all nations to implement the financial provisions of UNSCR 1803 by exercising enhanced vigilance over the activities of their financial institutions with Iranian financial institutions - including branches and subsidiaries abroad - and particularly with respect to Bank Saderat and Bank Melli,” he added.

Today was a Declaration of War, not HyperInflation.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think to go long you have to think long term. It's great that everything is up today, but what I really care about is in about 10 years when I cash out and try to eke a living off of what I invested in.

Get cash in your hand now.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Maddog78 » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 13:56:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')et cash in your hand now.


What were you saying in March? The same thing?
I made over 35% from March to two weeks ago when I cashed out.
Those who held cash got ..... maybe 1%?
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Carlhole » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 14:15:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'N')o reaction in the markets.

Looks like this story will only be a big deal on PO.com.


Gold at $1040. The dollar/euro at $147.35. Funny how a story 'without merit' can move markets.


Here's a story, finally. Posted at 1:40pm EST:

Oil, gold surge as dollar dominance questioned.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil and gold prices surged Tuesday, with gold hitting an intraday record high, after a news report sparked widespread talk about the U.S. dollar being unseated as the currency for trading oil.

A report in Britain's daily newspaper The Independent said oil-exporting countries in the Middle East and big energy consumers such as China, Russia, Japan and France were working on a plan to end the practice of buying and selling crude in dollars.

Instead, the U.S. dollar would be replaced with a basket of currencies, including the Japanese yen, Chinese yuan, the euro and gold.

That helped gold prices surge to $1,043.80 an ounce Tuesday, surpassing its previous record of 1,033.90 an ounce reached on March 18, 2008. Oil prices rose more than 2% to near $72 a barrel.

The dollar managed to regain some ground by midday after finance officials from Saudi Arabia, Japan and Russia publicly denied that such a plan was in the works...
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby eastbay » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 14:18:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')et cash in your hand now.


What were you saying in March? The same thing?
I made over 35% from March to two weeks ago when I cashed out.
Those who held cash got ..... maybe 1%?


Darn tootin'. I dern near doubled it in assorted energy service stocks since early this year. If I had followed the 'experts' and went to cash I would have done like 1% too. US cash blows. Stay away from it.

Carlhole... the Saudi denial 12 hours ago fell flat. No one believed it. Funny. :)
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Carlhole » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 14:25:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')et cash in your hand now.


What were you saying in March? The same thing?
I made over 35% from March to two weeks ago when I cashed out.
Those who held cash got ..... maybe 1%?


Darn tootin'. I dern near doubled it in assorted energy service stocks since early this year. If I had followed the 'experts' and went to cash I would have done like 1% too. US cash blows. Stay away from it.

Carlhole... the Saudi denial 12 hours ago fell flat. No one believed it. Funny. :)


I dunno... IN order to confirm the importance of this story, the markets would have to make big, obvious, sustained moves. And all the talking heads would be chattering about it. Glen Beck would do a show on how it's all the fault of the black man in the white house.

It looks to be more of a yawn to me. I mean, this is exactly the kind of story that the markets in currencies, oil and gold would all unmistakably indicate to a strong degree if true. None of the chattering classes would be able to avoid talking about it.

Instead, it's getting a response that is similar to a poor Consumer Confidence Report or something.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Maddog78 » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 14:32:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
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Darn tootin'. I dern near doubled it in assorted energy service stocks since early this year. If I had followed the 'experts' and went to cash I would have done like 1% too. US cash blows. Stay away from it.


I just calculated it out. I made 42%. Could have been better but not every one I picked was a big winner. Still I'm not complaining, those were great returns.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby Carlhole » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 14:41:51

Gold Jumps to Record as Inflation Outlook Fuels Investor Demand

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ct. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Gold rose to a record on speculation that currencies will depreciate, spurring inflation and boosting the appeal of the precious metal for investors seeking to preserve their wealth.

Gold futures climbed as high as $1,045 an ounce in New York, topping the previous record of $1,033.90 in March 2008. The spot price is headed for a ninth straight annual gain, the longest rally since at least 1948. The dollar fell as much as 0.7 percent against a basket of six major currencies.

“Gold is acting like the ultimate currency,” said Chip Hanlon, the president of Delta Global Advisors Inc. in Huntington Beach, California. “Central banks are following the same monetary course and trying to stimulate and inflate their way back to growth. Everyone’s concerned about the dollar, but it’s not like you can hate the dollar and fall in love with the euro or the yen.”...


Gold is responding to the same pressures it has always responded to for the past few years. It didn't rise today solely on fears of the dollar losing its reserve-currency status. The thing about the dollar is that EVERYONE owns too much of them. It would not be in ANYONE'S interest for the move away from the dollar to be anything but a slow adjustment over a prolonged period of time.

But I have no doubt that the dollar will eventually lose its reserve currency status, simply because America no longer enjoys the world-dominating economics that it once held. This is an inevitable thing.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby dinopello » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 15:33:52

The gold peddlers have been hyping the story today (APMEX)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is causing this recent price rise and will it be sustained? There is incredible pressure on the US Dollar to no longer be the currency of choice for trading oil. According to a report released by “The Independent,” a British news organization, “Gulf Arab (states) are planning – along with China, Russia, Japan and France – to end dollar dealings for oil, moving instead to a basket of currencies including the Japanese yen and Chinese yuan, the euro, and GOLD…”


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')any analysts are predicting new record highs for Gold! NOW is the time to buy Gold before the market pressures raise it into uncharted levels!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t APMEX, our supply is limited so buy your GOLD now while we still have some in stock!
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby patience » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 15:38:30

Oh, yeah, the goldbugs are having a field day! Not without some reason. however. This video with Max Keiser expounds on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7dH4e8H ... _embedded#

"Dollar Drowning", is the headline. It's not just the Arabs. We have been living at the expense of the rest of the world, and they are tired of it. Max says he thinks it won't take 9 years to dump the dollar as reserve currency.
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Re: Drudge red alert: ARABS PLOT TO DROP DOLLAR

Postby TheAntiDoomer » Tue 06 Oct 2009, 15:38:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')et cash in your hand now.


What were you saying in March? The same thing?
I made over 35% from March to two weeks ago when I cashed out.
Those who held cash got ..... maybe 1%?


Good move Maddog. You pretty much can make good money doing the oppposite of what mcgowanmj tells you too. Were you here for his prediction of dehydrated zombie refugees leaving atlanta to find water last year? It was a hoot.
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