[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', 'J')ust to add to local reports, in my town a healthy 27 year old male died in hospital of swine flu.

[ColossalContrarian]

Not sure how credible this is -> http://www.fluscam.com/Affidavit.html The Affidavit

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')r. Leonard G. Horowitz, America’s leading consumer health expert, and Sherri Kane, an investigative journalist, have released shocking proof in legal affidavits that leaders of a private global biotechnology “trust” are behind everything you ever heard about pandemic flu, including its origin and alleged prevention via vaccination. Their documents, being sent through attorneys to the FBI today, evidence powerful industrialists operating a crime ring within “Partnership for New York City” are behind the pandemic’s creation, media persuasions, vaccination preparations, and health official promotions seen everywhere from supermarkets to health clinics.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'N')ot sure how credible this is -> http://www.fluscam.com/Affidavit.html The Affidavit$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')r. Leonard G. Horowitz, America’s leading consumer health expert, and Sherri Kane, an investigative journalist, have released shocking proof in legal affidavits that leaders of a private global biotechnology “trust” are behind everything you ever heard about pandemic flu, including its origin and alleged prevention via vaccination. Their documents, being sent through attorneys to the FBI today, evidence powerful industrialists operating a crime ring within “Partnership for New York City” are behind the pandemic’s creation, media persuasions, vaccination preparations, and health official promotions seen everywhere from supermarkets to health clinics.

[Dawn]

In regards to the swine flu thread... We are still waiting for test results to come back for 3 of my kids. We all caught the flu soon after school started this year. One of my sons felt better for a few days and then on Wednesday of this week (after his football game) came home not wanting dinner and went to sleep. Woke up at 1 in the morning with a fever of almost 105. I got it down to just below 102, but for two days that's about as low as we could get it. Took him to the hospital on Friday and at first they didn't think he was very ill... Well the machine they were taking his temperature with wasn't working correctly. And he had a fever of almost 103 again. Less than an hour later 104.4. Oh and he started to cough blood. He has pneumonia. I'm just home for a minute to drop my older sons off, a shower and going right back to the hospital.

Whatever is going around this year is very nasty. There are confirmed cases of swine flu in the high school. Sean is in middle school. While we were at the hospital three more kids from the high school arrived at the emergency room too.

[pup55]

Prediction: In the next month, this will be the top story on all the news networks, news channels, etc.

Too many places in just the early stages on this, It has an excellent chance to get completely out of hand, and make a lot of school administrators and other public officials look like total idiots in their so-called efforts to control the spread of this mess.

[Cloud9]

We have a number of cases in my school. One of our students has died from it. Some kids seem to get it and get over it. Others seem to get a second round of illness. Not at all sure how this is going to play out.

[Dawn]

Thought I should update this, so people don't worry too much. Sean was discharged on Sunday. So it was a 2 day stay in the hospital. He is doing much better now, but still is tired and coughing some. I was told we caught it early, so that's a good thing. The blood the doctor suspects was from his throat and not his lungs... That's what really scared me not knowing.

He went to the doctor just the day before and they didn't suspect pneumonia either. It was found with x rays in the hospital. The doctor in the hospital didn't think he was very ill at first either. I was told that it couldn't be heard because it was in the lower lobe of the lungs. But, thankfully they did do more tests and found out early. I'm very grateful today for everything I have. I can't even begin to express how fortunate I feel.

pup, I think you may be right. They need to rethink the way many things are run. Best example I can give is... If the boys miss football practice they are punished, if they don't have a doctors excuse. So, many of the boys will go to school sick and tough it out when they shouldn't be in school period.

[pup55]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'p')up, I think you may be right. They need to rethink the way many things are run. Best example I can give is... If the boys miss football practice they are punished, if they don't have a doctors excuse. So, many of the boys will go to school sick and tough it out when they shouldn't be in school period.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'T')oo many places in just the early stages on this, It has an excellent chance to get completely out of hand, and make a lot of school administrators and other public officials look like total idiots in their so-called efforts to control the spread of this mess.

[Ferretlover]

Looks like someone may have been digging through the Stored Disease Vault:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Vaccines for swine flu being shipped to states By Debbie Robinson, The Joplin Globe:
NEOSHO, Mo. — Shipments of the vaccine for the H1N1 flu, known as swine flu, began rolling out Wednesday to states, with more shipments to be distributed late next month or early December. …
The current strain of H1N1 doesn’t appear to be infecting the elderly, she said. “For older people over 65, sometime in the past they have come in contact with it and have some immunity,” Yates said. But, she said, it’s this group of the population that is demanding the vaccine more than the at-risk groups.
The 1957 Asian flu, a strain of H1N1, killed 70,000 people, she said. …
The highest death rate with the current strain of H1N1 flu is among children who average 12 years of age, and the average age of those hospitalized is 20. …
As of Sept. 20, 3,917 deaths and 318,925 H1N1 cases had been reported worldwide, Yates said. …

[turner]

My kid's school has a policy that if a child is away from school with any one symptom of the flu they can't come back without a doctor's certificate. The crazy thing is that the doctor is not actually allowed to test for H1N1!!
Consequently everyone now sends their kids with mild symptoms instead of keeping them home on a precautionary basis. Some of the policies seem to be about appearing to be doing something rather than being based on any logical approach.

[Cloud9]

Now you understand the true nature of government.

[JJ]

14 year old woke up sick this morning. 10% of the schools have swine flu; many, many people coming into the grocery store saying they and their families are positive for it. This is going to blow through everybody; there's no effort at containment. (Burnet, Texas)

[eXpat]

Creating the next generation of flu
Excreted Tamiflu found in rivers
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he premier flu-fighting drug is contaminating rivers downstream of sewage-treatment facilities, researchers in Japan confirm. The source: urinary excretion by people taking oseltamivir phosphate, best known as Tamiflu.

Concerns are now building that birds, which are natural influenza carriers, are being exposed to waterborne residues of Tamiflu’s active form and might develop and spread drug-resistant strains of seasonal and avian flu.

For their new study, Gopal Ghosh and his colleagues at Kyoto University sampled water discharged from three local sewage treatment plants and water at several points along two rivers into which the treated water flowed. Sampling started early in December 2008, as flu season got underway. The researchers sampled again at the height of the seasonal flu’s onslaught in early February and again as infection rates waned.

Tamiflu’s active form, oseltamivir carboxylate or OC, turned up in the treated sewage on every occasion, the researchers report online September 28 in Environmental Health Perspectives. Values were in the low nanograms per liter range during the first and last samplings, and reached a high of almost 300 ng/L at one outflow during the flu’s peak, a week when there were 1,738 recorded flu cases in Kyoto.

River residues showed up during only that second sampling — from low nanogram levels at most sampling points to a high of 190 ng/L in a portion of the Nishitakase River where treated sewage accounts for 90 percent of the flow.

Computer modeling has shown that OC should survive sewage treatment, notes Wolf von Tümpling Jr. of the Helmholtz Center for Environmental Research, a federal institute in Magdeburg, Germany. Ghosh’s team is now the first to confirm this, he says. Von Tümpling’s own data show that once exposed to sunlight, OC will break down, albeit slowly. Concentrations would fall at best by half every three weeks, he says.

If correlations predicted by earlier studies are correct, concentrations measured at some river sites in the new Kyoto study seem “high enough to lead to antiviral resistance in waterfowl,” Ghosh says.

[deMolay]

Now this is a twist. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec ... le1303330/

[deMolay]

An update from recent Canadian research. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/science/younger-women-hard-hit-by-h1n1-virus-study-suggests/article1321178/

[WildRose]

demolay, I think it's interesting that "younger women" have been documented as being more susceptible to
severe illness from the H1N1 flu. I have a couple of thoughts about it but also a few questions, and I would
need to know the specifics about the women affected before I could try and see any pattern.

The average age of the women who died was 42, and the average age of the women who were admitted to ICU
was 32, according to the article. When I think about women in this age range, there are a few things that I think
may cause them to become more severely ill, depending on how the flu virus works. It could be that they are, on
average, more fitness conscious (eating well, exercising regularly) and that the severe illness is due to cytokine storm,
which causes healthier people to become sicker. Or, conversely, they may be working mothers, fatigued and not able
to fight illness as well. It would be really interesting to examine their cases and see if there are any common denominators.

[mos6507]

This extensive article from Wired magazine is worth a read.


Nice quotable:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')In 19th-century England, he explains, Jenner’s smallpox vaccine was known to be effective. But despite the Compulsory Vaccination Act of 1853, many people still refused to take it, and thousands died unnecessarily. “That was the birth of the anti-vaccine movement,” he says, adding that then — as now — those at the forefront “were great at mass marketing. It was a print-oriented society. They were great pamphleteers. And by the 1890s, they had driven immunization rates down to the 20 percent range.”

Immediately, smallpox took off again in England and Wales, killing 1,455 in 1893. Ireland and Scotland, by contrast, “didn’t have any anti-vaccine movement and had very high immunization rates and very little incidence of smallpox disease and death,” he says, taking a breath. “You’d like to think we would learn.”

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', '1')4 year old woke up sick this morning. 10% of the schools have swine flu; many, many people coming into the grocery store saying they and their families are positive for it. This is going to blow through everybody; there's no effort at containment. (Burnet, Texas)

[frankthetank]

JJ-

Did you catch it? I swear i had it back in July. I was very sick for a week and had all the symptoms. Schools should just shut down Webcams would work just fine.