[AirlinePilot]

I'd also be real interested in hearing the case for PO being a "Lie". That smacks completely of Conspiracy Theory and we all know how factual and unbiased they are.

[Lokutus]

Oh dear, like I said at the beginning, I'm now officially sitting on the fence viz-a-viz Peak Oil--at least about it arriving officially in the next 15 to 20 years.

Now I'm the type of person who can hold two contradictory thoughts in his head.

Simultaneously.

I have it on good authority that most people can't. Hence the backlash here.

My post was not meant to upset the church membership but merely to remind everyone that beyond the boundaries of this forum lies an entire "other world" with differing views.

My hunch is that if I had gone over to http://www.rr-bb.com and reminded them that Jesus ain't coming back, my reception would not have been as hostile.

Just be wary of turning PO into yet another religion.

Back around 2003-2005 like some of you, I was planning to put together a bug-out bag and buy a gun. I was even fantasizing about what it would be like having to flee the city for the hills. That's how much of a believer I was. Then I began allowing contradictory data into my perception instead of just filtering it out.

Well, I must return back to work.

[americandream]

The MSM is almost ENTIRELY dedicated to debunking Peak Oil and resourcing, and AGW, so much so that there are very few venues available for objective reporting of the two sides of anything controversial. Invariably, all that is fed to the sheeple out there is the party line and PO.com as well as a few other sites are a few of the non-MSM sites that offer us contrarian news. If I want anti-peak stuff, I've a plethora of choices. I have few choices for the other perspective. I come here to get an unblemished account of the contrary view and armed with MSM and PO.com information, I go off and make my choices.

To date, PO.com as well as Matts site has been the most consistent on the oil depletion front. The MSM in contrast, are all over the place. The buggers haven't a clue whather they are Arthur or Martha in fact. I am bloody grateful for Aaron putting his money where his beliefs are and taking the time to restore balance where there may not have otherwise been. You disbelieve his mission statement, then set up your own site and bear the cost of defending your beliefs as you seek to inform.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'O')h dear, like I said at the beginning, I'm now officially sitting on the fence viz-a-viz Peak Oil--at least about it arriving officially in the next 15 to 20 years.

Now I'm the type of person who can hold two contradictory thoughts in his head.

Simultaneously.

I have it on good authority that most people can't. Hence the backlash here.

My post was not meant to upset the church membership but merely to remind everyone that beyond the boundaries of this forum lies an entire "other world" with differing views.

My hunch is that if I had gone over to http://www.rr-bb.com and reminded them that Jesus ain't coming back, my reception would not have been as hostile.

Just be wary of turning PO into yet another religion.

Back around 2003-2005 like some of you, I was planning to put together a bug-out bag and buy a gun. I was even fantasizing about what it would be like having to flee the city for the hills. That's how much of a believer I was. Then I began allowing contradictory data into my perception instead of just filtering it out.

Well, I must return back to work.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou disbelieve his mission statement, then set up your own site and bear the cost of defending your beliefs as you seek to inform.

[Quinny]

Has anyone ever told you that you're the spitting image of Ricky Gervais a comedian quite famous over here in the UK. I find him quite amusing as well.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'Y')ou disbelieve his mission statement, then set up your own site and bear the cost of defending your beliefs as you seek to inform.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')For me the only question is when will it happen?

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')For me the only question is when will it happen?

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'O')h dear, like I said at the beginning, I'm now officially sitting on the fence viz-a-viz Peak Oil--at least about it arriving officially in the next 15 to 20 years.

Now I'm the type of person who can hold two contradictory thoughts in his head.

Simultaneously.

I have it on good authority that most people can't. Hence the backlash here.

My post was not meant to upset the church membership but merely to remind everyone that beyond the boundaries of this forum lies an entire "other world" with differing views.

My hunch is that if I had gone over to http://www.rr-bb.com and reminded them that Jesus ain't coming back, my reception would not have been as hostile.

Just be wary of turning PO into yet another religion.

Back around 2003-2005 like some of you, I was planning to put together a bug-out bag and buy a gun. I was even fantasizing about what it would be like having to flee the city for the hills. That's how much of a believer I was. Then I began allowing contradictory data into my perception instead of just filtering it out.

Well, I must return back to work.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '
')For me the only question is when will it happen?

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '
') Be careful about the "religion" analogy. I don't think most of us who are serious about attempting to understand this or have begun to understand what the implications of PO are , see it in any such light.

I think your making a classic mistake mischaracterizing the majority of folks here with such a sweeping generality.

[Lokutus]

Being an INTP, I like to collect as much data as I can. I first heard of PO back in 03 when Shell revised its reserves down by 25%. Then around 05/06 I became a pretty serious believer. Now I'm on the fence but take it as a serious potential threat.

Now what gets my dander up is if I'm debating PO on another forum and need some ammunition to counter someone's anti-PO arguments, this place can be useless because when I ask for help along the lines of "Hey guys, what about this?", all I get from the crowd here is a dismissive "Pffft!".

Yes, that's really helpful.

[Lokutus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'B')eing an INTP, I like to collect as much data as I can. I first heard of PO back in 03 when Shell revised its reserves down by 25%. Then around 05/06 I became a pretty serious believer. Now I'm on the fence but take it as a serious potential threat.

Now what gets my dander up is if I'm debating PO on another forum and need some ammunition to counter someone's anti-PO arguments, this place can be useless because when I ask for help along the lines of "Hey guys, what about this?", all I get from the crowd here is a dismissive "Pffft!".

Yes, that's really helpful.

[americandream]

I really don't know where to start with the likes of you.

Peak Oil is a conceptual site from my understanding of it over the years I have visited it. The impression I get from all the labour that Aaron and others have put into this place (as well as considerable money I suspect) is of the wish to convey the concept of the risks of living beyond our means, as a species.

That, in my opinion is a laudable ojective, notwithstanding the fact that the precise date for peak oil is uncertain at this juncture. For all we know, that may well be next week or at the end of the next decade or 5 decades hence. My position has consistently been that capitalism's collapse will be in the region of 4 to 5 decades, preceded in the interim by the gradual strangling off of the essentials necessary to keep it growing, namely oil to name one.

However, that view has not then translated into me neutralising the concept. In fact, the consequences of Aaron's efforts are of a magnitude well beyond the mere pedantics of whether we starve tomorrow or in 5 decades. Here we find the first glimmerings of a cutlture shift in how we view our resources and use them and to that degree and for that reason alone, I say, let this website do it's work, with some sensitive appreciation of it's efforts when updating us as to the current state of our finite oil resources.

Given the dire long term prognosis for Walmart/China consumerism, we have no reason to be elated at the "brisk" pace in new discoveries of a finite and as yet irreplaceable resource and that is what Peak OIL.com has spoken to me of over the years. For we all know the ferryman may be here tomorrow, or in 5 decades, but calling he shall be.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lokutus', 'B')eing an INTP, I like to collect as much data as I can. I first heard of PO back in 03 when Shell revised its reserves down by 25%. Then around 05/06 I became a pretty serious believer. Now I'm on the fence but take it as a serious potential threat.

Now what gets my dander up is if I'm debating PO on another forum and need some ammunition to counter someone's anti-PO arguments, this place can be useless because when I ask for help along the lines of "Hey guys, what about this?", all I get from the crowd here is a dismissive "Pffft!".

Yes, that's really helpful.