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The R.A.V.E. Diet
Re: The R.A.V.E. Diet
by Pretorian » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 20:01:07
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')Like I said, the primary problem, IMHO, with vegetarianism nutritionally is that it's virtually impossible to avoid ending up with most of your calories coming from starch. I suppose, in theory you could exist off of mostly nuts, but then you would end up protein deficient. Typically protein in a vegetarian diet is derived from a mixture of grains and beans, i.e. starches.
')Like I said, the primary problem, IMHO, with vegetarianism nutritionally is that it's virtually impossible to avoid ending up with most of your calories coming from starch. I suppose, in theory you could exist off of mostly nuts, but then you would end up protein deficient. Typically protein in a vegetarian diet is derived from a mixture of grains and beans, i.e. starches.
Boletus edulis Loads of protein, no starch.
Speaking of starch. My grandma lived till 86 on a diet where probably 90% of her calories were coming from grains, potatoes, and milk. She was overweight probably half of her life and close to obese for about a third. She had high blood pressure and I assume sleep apnea. With all that she never saw a doctor in her life, never took a pill or even a multivitamin. She lived through three wars, two famines, forced labour camps, buried all her kids and close relatives, more personal stress and horror than you can imagine. Still had a sharp memory and was more sarcastic than i am at her 86.
Another grandma, same diet, same war/famine count but skinny and less personal drama , sought medical attention at 85yo, so I guess doctors did give her 7 more years to live (appendicitis).
Human are as well as other higher primates are omnivorous and can eat whatever pleases them. This Starch&milk dominated European diet for over 10000 years as well as meat&fish diet dominated in N.America since first squatters came there. Thats at least 600 generations worth. Surely if somebody had personal issues with one type of food or another it got sorted out millenia ago. Now I will not praise one food over another; its all good. As long as you dont get fat, eat everything you want. Or even if you do. You live once, no reason to be hungry and deprive yourself , you will die anyway.
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Re: The R.A.V.E. Diet
by smallpoxgirl » Thu 27 Aug 2009, 20:48:31
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')Like I said, the primary problem, IMHO, with vegetarianism nutritionally is that it's virtually impossible to avoid ending up with most of your calories coming from starch. I suppose, in theory you could exist off of mostly nuts, but then you would end up protein deficient. Typically protein in a vegetarian diet is derived from a mixture of grains and beans, i.e. starches.
')Like I said, the primary problem, IMHO, with vegetarianism nutritionally is that it's virtually impossible to avoid ending up with most of your calories coming from starch. I suppose, in theory you could exist off of mostly nuts, but then you would end up protein deficient. Typically protein in a vegetarian diet is derived from a mixture of grains and beans, i.e. starches.
Boletus edulis Loads of protein, no starch.
LOL! Right. Exactly how many people are existing off a diet of only boletus edulis?
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Re: The R.A.V.E. Diet
by Narz » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 21:16:22
I live off a diet of lots of things, I don't understand the whole "if you can't live off of it entirely you shouldn't eat it at all". The Bushman (from whom we're all descended) eat around 60 (or maybe 80, don't remember) different herbs in a single week.
Unless you're starving, the foods you eat for nutrients (vegetables generally) are probably MORE important than what you eat for calories. The Masai (who eat tons of milk & blood) have the protective factor of tons of herbs (IIRC, 20 or so in an average soup).
In general though tons of cooked fat & protein is going to age you & kill you much faster than cooked carbohydrate. Maximum protective elements (vegetables, fruit) with some lightly cooked &/or raw animal fat/protein &/or some cooked starches (which humans have been eating since we've existed, mostly in tuber form) is probably the way to go. Saying "you can't get enough calories from broccoli" misses the point, the idea isn't to get macro nutrients from broccoli.
Unless you're starving, the foods you eat for nutrients (vegetables generally) are probably MORE important than what you eat for calories. The Masai (who eat tons of milk & blood) have the protective factor of tons of herbs (IIRC, 20 or so in an average soup).
In general though tons of cooked fat & protein is going to age you & kill you much faster than cooked carbohydrate. Maximum protective elements (vegetables, fruit) with some lightly cooked &/or raw animal fat/protein &/or some cooked starches (which humans have been eating since we've existed, mostly in tuber form) is probably the way to go. Saying "you can't get enough calories from broccoli" misses the point, the idea isn't to get macro nutrients from broccoli.
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Re: The R.A.V.E. Diet
by smallpoxgirl » Sun 06 Sep 2009, 21:39:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'S')aying "you can't get enough calories from broccoli" misses the point, the idea isn't to get macro nutrients from broccoli.
This whole argument is about where you should get the bulk of your calories from. I love broccoli. I eat it all the time. I might even eat some Boletus edulis if I had any clue where to get it. That doesn't change the fact that vegetarians, with few exceptions, get the bulk of their calories from starch and that's not a healthy situation. IMHO anyway.
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