[Maddog78]

RAVE diet? Ha, I thought this thread was about doing some E, looking at light sticks and drinking lots of water.


I'm going to BBQ up some Ribeyes tonight.

[dinopello]

What about the whole "French" thing ?

Their diet has a lot of fat, a fair amount of starch/carbs etc

Yet, I believe they are relatively healthy and not obese.

They probably adhere to the "No refined foods" aspect of the RAVE diet.

Isn't it ironic for a generally doomer crowd to be discussing diet ? Eat whatever you can get in your belly is the way we are heading, right ? I mean there are threads on the need to eat bugs and worse.

[jedrider]

smallpoxgirl wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's not a question of opinion so much as factual inaccuracy. Japan has seen increasing consumption of animal protein over the last century accompanied by falling heart disease rates. The US has seen a rampant increase in starch intake over the last century with a huge spike in the 20 years that Ornish and company have been peddling their crap. Meanwhile, our heart disease rates have skyrocketed.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'W')hat about the whole "French" thing ?

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('virgincrude', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'A')nd where are the studies confirming that humans are 'intended' to live off cooked meat/raw meat, raw vegetables/cooked vegetables?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', '[')b]Coronary heart disease risk in Japan – an East/West divide?
http://eurheartjsupp.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/6/suppl_A/A8

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'W')hat about the whole "French" thing ?

[Pretorian]

Many of pre-historic peoples ate plenty of starch. Enough in fact to have their third molars worn out by the age of 20-22.
The big problem I think with a diet loaded with meat is lack of fiber. Of course you can eat loads of vegetables too, but you won't be a proud Inuit/Eskimo then. No pooping=no health , dice it or slice it, and I do not need to bring any studies to prove that.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'M')any of pre-historic peoples ate plenty of starch. Enough in fact to have their third molars worn out by the age of 20-22.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', ' ')
Meat farming doesn't require grain. Cows are happy to eat grass.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'I')'d be interested in reading more about that...do you have link?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'W')e have to adapt to circumstances, not live in the past.

[virgincrude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')t's not a question of opinion so much as factual innacuracy. Japan has seen increasing consumption of animal protein over the last century accompanied by falling heart disease rates. The US has seen a rampant increase in starch intake over the last century with a huge spike in the 20 years that Ornish and company have been peddling their crap. Meanwhile, our heart disease rates have skyrocketed.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'V')ilhjalmur Stefansson, author of "Cancer, disease of civilization: An anthropological and historical study," participated in a medical experiment where he ate nothing but meat for one year. At the conculsion of his experiment, his health was evaluated and he was deemed to be in exceptional health. The book he wrote is fascinating as well...

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('virgincrude', 'I')'ll leave you to it. If you have a copy of the book, take a look at chapter 14 'Scientific Reductionism'. It describes what you're doing quite well.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')You've been on this site long enough to realize that there simply aren't enough resources to go around. This thing doesn't end in some consensus based vegan utopia. It ends in a fight to the death for survival. People are programmed on a very deep level to breed. There are only two ways to stop it. Either some sort of eugenics based forced sterilization process, or the natural limits of starvation. Trying to carve the maximum calorie production out of the planet makes our problems worse. Not better. It's you who needs to wrap your head around reality and realize that starvation is the only effective limit to our population.

[Maddog78]

Sheesh, give smallpoxgirl a break.

I saw this show flipping through channels where this couple has 18 kids.
Go to their web site and cuss them out.
..............or maybe you do that already?


My steaks were great the other night.
Ribs tonight.

[virgincrude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')I don't have the book. What I just quoted you was from the actual study on which the book is supposedly based. In the actual study, the authors concluded that their data was insufficient to establish complex causal relationships. When writing a non-peer reviewed book, Mr. Campbell apparently felt no need for such scientific restraint.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our asserion that vegetarianism means eating only starch is utter crap, and you know it. What is the starch content of broccoli? Boiled in salt water, it has only a trace

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', '[')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'M')y people have been eating critters since before recorded history. What's new is that there's too damn many people, and you ding dongs are convinced that I should start eating starch in order to make more room for them. Well screw that.

[virgincrude]

I just want to ask why the subject of meat versus vegetarian based diet elicits such a variety of nasty, condescending, offensive and angry responses?

The tone was set in early on where vegetarianism was deemed to be a ‘fad’ (one which Hindus and Buddhists have followed since before the days of Jesus.) Another post claimed vegetarianism is designed to allow populations to explode.

Vegetarians are labelled ‘starch peddlers’ and those who advocate a vegetarian, plant based diet are termed ‘ding dongs’ somehow advocating the diet as a way to allow populations to continue to expand. Starvation was then alluded to as a means of population control.

This attitude and tone towards the whole thread led me to reply in a similar tone, for which I was admonished, of course.

The thread was aimed, it seems to me, at discussing diet in relation to a post peak world. Narz has been consistently constructive and at no time has used offensive words to describe those who do not like the idea. But with replies consistently on the defensive, using demeaning and condescending terms the thread quickly became an angry attack at anybody who expressed a positive attitude towards vegetarianism or plant based diets.

Why?