[smiley]

Here's the original act.

Gold confiscation act.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ection 9. Whoever willfully violates any provision of this Executive Order or these regulation or of any rule, regulation or license issued there under may be fined not more than $10,000, or,if a natural person may be imprisoned for not more than ten years or both; and any officer, director, or agent of any corporation who knowingly participates in any such violation may be punished by a like fine, imprisonment, or both.

[BiGG]

Just so you all know, the government can take anything it wants anytime it wants. If you have gold, a cow, or pile of food the government can take it. It’s best if you keep accusations paperless & keep quiet about them.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ust so you all know, the government can take anything it wants anytime it wants. If you have gold, a cow, or pile of food the government can take it. It’s best if you keep accusations paperless & keep quiet about them.

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ust so you all know, the government can take anything it wants anytime it wants. If you have gold, a cow, or pile of food the government can take it. It’s best if you keep accusations paperless & keep quiet about them.

[BiGG]

That’s funny! Keep editing OilsNotWell, you have some more of your foolishness to remove from that misinformation post of yours but it ain’t gonna help you look any better when I captured it all in a quote! You can thank me later for educating you.

[OilsNotWell]

BigG,

You seem to have sidestepped the point of my post.

I'm aware of those decisions, XO's, etc., and am aware of how Ec. is used, how COMINT and all the others are gathered and sitributed by way of AU, GB, and such.

The point I believe you miss is that all of that is possible by the consent or acquiesence of the governed. You can cite all the paper proclamations in the world and they will not be able to stop an informed, mobilized, and motivated citizenry. Think it's not possible? How did the USSR crumble? It internally fell apart. It over-exended. Empires always over-reach, always over-extend, and crumble from within. As well as to note that I believe we sit in prisons of our own making sometimes...It's those who have the courage to make changes, who do not accept an unfair status quo, who are heroic. I hope you see the point, because, you could effect quite a bit of change if you wanted to, I can tell. Sure, all those regs are there...the question I want you to think about is, so...what are you going to do about it? From your post, it looks like your advice was to bend over.

"A Republic, if you can keep it." Keep that in mind. Resistance is not futile.

As you can see by my edit which I did within about 5 minutes of posting, I thought better of my tone and did not wish to sound unnecessarily inflammatory. If you continue to personally insult me using ad hominen attacks, you shall have the distinction of becoming the first poster to be added to my ignore list.

[OilsNotWell]

Actually, by that last post, and your others that I have read, you are now on my ignore list.

Sayonara.

[BiGG]

I gotta love it, how quaint! You come after me with a flame-a-thon and now you are the victim of an
ad hominem attack.

P.S. You can bet your ignore list bothers me about as much as Saddam having hemorrhoids.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')oney: The Great Gold Robbery
Published in The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty - June 1999
by James Bovard
Printable Format

James Bovard is the author of Freedom in Chains: The Rise of the State and the Demise of the Citizen (St. Martin’s Press, 1999).

The New Deal established much of the moral framework of contemporary political life. Though some of the programs and policies of that era have been terminated, the moral heritage of the New Deal continues to permeate American government and political thinking.

In 1936 Franklin Roosevelt declared, “I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. . . . I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.”[1] No American president has rivaled Roosevelt in his denunciation of what he called “economic royalists.” He sought to “master” the “forces of selfishness” by making government master of every person’s private financial destiny. Like today, the citizen who wanted to retain control over his own life was selfish, while the bureaucrat who wanted to seize power over the citizen was automatically presumed benevolent.

One of the most controversial New Deal policies was the seizure of citizens’ gold.[2] During the Great Depression, several foreign nations repudiated their promises to redeem their currencies for gold. In 1933, when Roosevelt became president, the United States had the largest gold reserves of any nation in the world. He announced on March 8, 1933, a few days after taking office, that the gold standard was safe. But three days later, he issued an executive order forbidding gold payments by banks; Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr., announced on March 11 that “the provision is aimed at those who continue to retain quantities of gold and thereby hinder the Government’s plans for a restoration of public confidence.”[3] Thus, according to Morgenthau, any limit on government power was bad for public confidence. And whatever confidence people might seek to achieve must be left in abject dependence on politicians’ latest salvation scheme.

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m sure you can afford small amounts of silver; it's really not that expensive in the scheme of things. If I can afford a bit of silver, anyone can.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Last Great Bubble - Counterfeiting the Dollar

Premise
You may be inclined to think that the green bills in your wallet are dollars, but I have shocking news for you: They're not. They're counterfeits. Since 1913, a gradual shift has turned our money from wealth to debt, and finally into a speculative investment.

Following, I shall offer proof of my statement with argument, evidence and deductive logic.
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Clearly, the money we use today is not, by definition, constitutional, and has not been since 1934. We have come a long way from 1794, when the debasing of money was punishable by death. Now the government does it at will. Today, the dollar holds the record as the longest running fiat currency, ever. But the mighty dollar is an emperor with no clothes. It powers the world, sets the price of oil, gold, and a working man's wages, all without a constitutional leg to stand on, nor a standard of value to back it.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')resident John F.Kennedy,
The Federal Reserve
And Executive Order 11110

From The Final Call, Vol. 15, No.6, On January 17, 1996

On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificats were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the gevernment the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a privately-owned central bank.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', '
')No they can't, flame-bait. See there's this little thing called the Constitution, see, along with certain Amendments, see, and 280 Million people, most of them armed, see, and all it takes is enough of them to get angry enough, see, and all the little tiny-headed bureaucratic pinheads who believe the internal security services and armed forces will all do their bidding for them will be in for a big surprise, see. Most of the efforts regarding control of people are bloodless and psychological, though. It's threat or more precisely, the implied threat of force ('power' - the ability to make others do what you want) that keeps people in line.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ECRETS
OF THE
FEDERAL RESERVE
By Eustace Mullins

http://www.whale.to/b/mullins5.html

Editorial Reviews

Book Description
Mullins presents some bare facts about the Federal Reserve System with subjects on: it IS NOT a U.S. government bank; it IS NOT controlled by Congress; it IS a privately owned Central Bank controlled by the elite financiers in their own interest. The Federal Reserve elite controls excessive interest rates, inflation, the printing of paper money, and have taken control of the depression of prosperity in the United States.

About the Author
Eustace Mullins is a veteran of the United States Air Force, with thirty-eight months active service during World War II. A native of Virginia, he was educated at Washington and Lee University, New York University, the University of North Dakota, the Escuelas des Bellas Artes, San Miguel de Allende, Mexico, and the Institute of Contemporary Arts, Washington, D.C. The original book, published under the title "Mullins on the Federal Reserve", was commissioned by the poet Ezra Pound in 1948. Ezra Pound was a political prisoner for thirteen and a half years at St. Elizabeth's Hospital, Washington, D.C. (a Federal institution for the insane). His release was accomplished largely through the efforts of Mr. Mullins.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ekyll Island and the Federal Reserve

By John Pounders, Paradigm Publishing, Copyright 1996

My wife and I visited Jekyll Island, Georgia, in April, 1996. It immediately took on a fascination because I remembered that Jekyll is known as the birthplace of the Federal Reserve. In fact, the Clubhouse/hotel on the island has two conference rooms named for the "Federal Reserve."

In 1886, a group of millionaires purchased Jekyll Island and converted it into a winter retreat and hunting ground, the USA's most exclusive club. By 1900, the club's roster represented 1/6th of the world's wealth. Names like Astor, Vanderbilt, Morgan, Pulitzer and Gould filled the club's register. Non- members, regardless of stature, were not allowed. Dignitaries like Winston Churchill and President McKinley were refused admission.

In 1908, the year after a national money panic purportedly created by J. P. Morgan, Congress established, in 1908, a National Monetary Authority. In 1910 another, more secretive, group was formed consisting of the chiefs of major corporations and banks in this country. The group left secretly by rail from Hoboken, New Jersey, and traveled anonymously to the hunting lodge on Jekyll Island.

The meeting was so secret that none referred to the other by his last name. Why the need for secrecy? Frank Vanderlip wrote later in the Saturday Evening Post, "...it would have been fatal to Senator Aldrich's plan to have it known that he was calling on anybody from Wall Street to help him in preparing his bill...I do not feel it is any exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyll Island as the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System."

At Jekyll Island, the true draftsman for the Federal Reserve was Paul Warburg. The plan was simple. The new central bank could not be called a central bank because America did not want one, so it had to be given a deceptive name. Ostensibly, the bank was to be controlled by Congress, but a majority of its members were to be selected by the private banks that would own its stock.

To keep the public from thinking that the Federal Reserve would be controlled from New York, a system of twelve regional banks was designed. Given the concentration of money and credit in New York, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York controlled the system, making the regional concept initially nothing but a ruse.

The board and chairman were to be selected by the President, but in the words of Colonel Edward House, the board would serve such a term as to "put them out of the power of the President." The power over the creation of money was to be taken from the people and placed in the hands of private bankers who could expand or contract credit as they felt best suited their needs.

Why the opposition to a central bank?

Americans at the time knew of the destruction to the economy the European central banks had caused to their respective countries and to countries who became their debtors. They saw the large- scale government deficit spending and debt creation that occurred in Europe.

Shortly after the United States gained its freedom, the Rothschilds attempted to saddle the country with a private central bank. This Bank of the United States was abolished by President Andrew Jackson with these words:

The bold effort the present bank has made to control the government, the distress it had wantonly produced...are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it.

But European financial moguls didn't rest until the New World was within their orbit. In 1902, Paul Warburg, a friend and associate of the Rothschilds and an expert on European central banking, came to this country as a partner in Kuhn, Loeb and Company. He married the daughter of Solomon Loeb, one of the founders of the firm. The head of Kuhn, Loeb was Jacob Schiff, whose gift of $20 million in gold to the struggling Russian communists in 1917 no doubt saved their revolution.

The Fed controls the banking system in the USA, not the Congress nor the people indirectly (as the Constitution dictates). The U.S. central bank strategy is a product of European banking interests.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he first leak regarding this meeting found its way into print in 1916. It appeared in Leslie's Weekly and was written by a young financial reporter by the name of B.C. Forbes, who later founded Forbes Magazine. The article was primarily in praise of Paul Warburg, and it is likely that Warburg let the story out during conversations with the writer. At any rate, the opening paragraph contained a dramatic but highly accurate summary of both the nature and purpose of the meeting:

Picture a party of the nation's greatest bankers stealing out of New York on a private railroad car under cover of darkness, stealthily hieing hundreds of miles South, embarking on a mysterious launch, sneaking on to an island deserted by all but a few servants, living there a full week under such rigid secrecy that the names of not one of them was once mentioned lest the servants learn the identity and disclose to the world this strangest, most secret expedition in the history of American finance.

I am not romancing. I am giving to the world, for the first time, the real story of how the famous Aldrich currency report, the foundation of our new currency system, was written.--

In 1930, Paul Warburg wrote a massive book - 1750 pages in all - entitled "The Federal Reserve System, Its Origin and Growth". In this tome, he described the meeting and its purpose but did not mention either its location or the names of those who attended. But he did say: "The results of the conference were entirely confidential. Even the fact there had been a meeting was not permitted to become public." Then in a footnote he added: "Though eighteen years have since gone by, I do not feel free to give a description of this most interesting conference concerning which Senator Aldrich pledged all participants to secrecy."--

In the February 9, 1935, issue of the Saturday Evening Post, an article appeared written by Frank Vanderlip. In it he said: "Despite my views about the value to society of greater publicity for the affairs of corporations, there was an occasion, near the close of 1910, when I was as secretive - indeed, as furtive - as any conspirator....I do not feel it is any exaggeration to speak of our secret expedition to Jekyll Island as the occasion of the actual conception of what eventually became the Federal Reserve System....We were told to leave our last names behind us. We were told, further, that we should avoid dining together on the night of our departure. We were instructed to come one at a time and as unobtrusively as possible to the railroad terminal on the New Jersy littoral of the Hudson, where Senator Aldrich's private car would be in readiness, attached to the rear end of a train for the South....

Once aboard the private car we began to observe the taboo that had been fixed on last names. We addressed one another as "Ben," "Paul," "Nelson," "Abe" - it is Abraham Piatt Andrew. Davison and I adopted even deeper disguises, abandoning our first names. On the theory that we were always right, he became Wilbur and I became Orville, after those two aviation pioneers, the Wright brothers....The servants and train crew may have known the identities of one or two of us, but they did not know all, and it was the names of all printed together that would have made our mysterious journey significant in Washington, in Wall Street, even in London. Discovery, we knew, simply must not happen, or else all our time and effort would be wasted.

If it were to be exposed publicly that our particular group had got together and written a banking bill, that bill would have no chance whatever of passage by Congress.--

As with all cartels, it had to be created by legislation and sustained by the power of goverment under the deception of protecting the consumer.--

http://www.1freedom.com/thecreature.htm

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilsNotWell', 'T')he New Deal continues to permeate American government and political thinking.

One of the most controversial New Deal policies was the seizure of citizens’ gold.

Thus, according to Morgenthau, any limit on government power was bad for public confidence. And whatever confidence people might seek to achieve must be left in abject dependence on politicians’ latest salvation scheme.

[OilsNotWell]

Hmmm..maybe there's a connection here....

Top US Marginal Income Tax Rates, 1913--2003

http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

The Fed is secretly planned and subsequently enacted the same time as income taxes are instituted...alllowing for unlimited power to create debt to wage war, and ultimately pass it off in higher taxes, and debt for future generations, with interest all the time going to vested interests...

Gold standard removed to inflate fiat currency at will...

Gold is outlawed...

"Sounds to me like stealing", says Senator Gore from Nebraska to FDR in 1933...FDR made sure to campaign to unseat Gore in 1936...

Yup.

[OilsNotWell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his attitude is no doubt alive and well still in powerful circles. It isn't going to make any difference which party is in charge. I suppose that TSHTF is a big enough deal to put the democrats back into power but the 'left' won't be any less inclined to exercise power than the 'right'. Look at all the menacing sounding Executive Orders that Clinton signed. Huge problems appear to be only months away with oil supplies lagging behind demand perhaps by the fourth quarter this year. That list of Executive Orders includes things like rounding up the entire population to use in labor camps. Do you suppose they allow marshmallows in these 'camps'? Who knows, maybe roughin' it in a camp with beans by campfire light at night will be fun. Up bright and early each morning with the comrades to do a healthy day's labor for the good of all.