[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'I') cant believe i wasted 10 minutes reading this thinking there might be some point made here that meant something.. PMS do you really think you need permission to cross that bridge from the entity speaking from below it?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'C')urbing bad parenting that breeds precocious "me firsters" would be a better option. I put it down to too much of everything as a child personally.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'h')ow about banning marriages within the same race? And banning single women from raising children of their race? Now that should work.

[americandream]

I think you miss the point. The issue is not whether we will be racist or liberal, it is essentially what configuration of culture works best to deliver the maximum return on capital.

In the early days of conquest (and even at present, with the demonisation of oil rich Arabia), racism served and still serves a resourcing function. However, as capital matures and comprehensively extends its global reach thereby acquiring a neutral face, so will our cultural discourse. Capital requires conditioned docility for maximisation. Wars are useful only for as long as capital lacks that comprehensive globalisation.

Whether the resulting culture will be one amenable to the input of nationalists is essentially down to the power they wield in preserving that maximised return on global capital, considered against the background of that resulting culture. A good analogy would be to ask oneself how effective would one be in reinventing a Polish American as a turn of the last century Polish native on a boat bound for the US.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'C')urbing bad parenting that breeds precocious "me firsters" would be a better option. I put it down to too much of everything as a child personally.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'h')ow about banning marriages within the same race? And banning single women from raising children of their race? Now that should work.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'M')y position is that racists and those who anticipate some spontaneous ethnic bloodbath do not understand the nature of capital, its global direction, it's overwhelming impact on our lives and cultures and it's relentless march and the indelible mark it will leave in globalising humanknd.

[...]

You see how absurd it is? Irrespective of how much you may dislike the smell of a black etc, etc, you will go wither capital leads and we are not yet done with globalisation and what we have yet to become.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'M')y position is that racists and those who anticipate some spontaneous ethnic bloodbath do not understand the nature of capital, its global direction, it's overwhelming impact on our lives and cultures and it's relentless march and the indelible mark it will leave in globalising humanknd.

[...]

You see how absurd it is? Irrespective of how much you may dislike the smell of a black etc, etc, you will go wither capital leads and we are not yet done with globalisation and what we have yet to become.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'M')y position is that racists and those who anticipate some spontaneous ethnic bloodbath do not understand the nature of capital, its global direction, it's overwhelming impact on our lives and cultures and it's relentless march and the indelible mark it will leave in globalising humanknd.

[...]

You see how absurd it is? Irrespective of how much you may dislike the smell of a black etc, etc, you will go wither capital leads and we are not yet done with globalisation and what we have yet to become.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'M')y position is that racists and those who anticipate some spontaneous ethnic bloodbath do not understand the nature of capital, its global direction, it's overwhelming impact on our lives and cultures and it's relentless march and the indelible mark it will leave in globalising humanknd.

[...]

You see how absurd it is? Irrespective of how much you may dislike the smell of a black etc, etc, you will go wither capital leads and we are not yet done with globalisation and what we have yet to become.

[hironegro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat you call a infinite brawl, eternal souls clashin
War gets deep, some beef is everlastin

[rangerone314]

I know what Oswald Spengler said in the 1920s... about the evolution of a civilization.

That the only power that will oppose money is blood (ie race/culture ties). And he wasn't aware of peak oil.

We are going back to the old way of doing things... (that person looks and talks different than you and me, hit him with a rock)

Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan heck even New Orleans (during Katrina) are just signs of the times.

Just wait until globalization is killed on the altar of peak oil...

[highlander]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') know what Oswald Spengler said in the 1920s... about the evolution of a civilization.

That the only power that will oppose money is blood (ie race/culture ties). And he wasn't aware of peak oil.

We are going back to the old way of doing things... (that person looks and talks different than you and me, hit him with a rock)

Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan heck even New Orleans (during Katrina) are just signs of the times.

Just wait until globalization is killed on the altar of peak oil...

[americandream]

Following your logic, blood ties would have marooned us to the cave let alone be subsumed in our economic quest for more resources as we crossed oceans and mongrelised with fellow economic aspirants from other corners of regions and the planet. Yet humankind has relentlessly spread, adapted and melded in this spread from its early African roots well beyond these primeval blood ties and in defiance of those very blood ties.

At the root of all these calls to blood ties lies economics. We harken back to these so-called blood ties not because of those ties but largely in response to economic imperatives. African tribalism persists in much the same way that tribalism persists in N Ireland between Catholic and Protestant and yet does not in the US. The effects of prior socio-economic causes.

Call it what you will, but the simple truth is that in times of economic crises we are just as prone to dispense with blood ties in our quest for economic security as in a previous era when, Lithuanian, Chinese, English, Irish, Polish, Japanese, Spaniard, East Endian, SE Asian cast adrift from their villages and family ties to give us the modern world of America, Canada, Dubai, South Africa etc, etc. Troubed places yes but evidence of man's adaptability.

edit: I find it curious that these arguments flow so robustly from America, the land of the mongrel. A land founded by those who defiantly left their blood ties at a time when a feudal and tribal Europe, in a bid to relieve land shortage (peak land), entered into a bloody turmoil that one would have assumed, would have triggered an even more latent tribalism. Instead, what we had was abandonment of the tribe in search of change...adaptation. Truly remarkable.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') know what Oswald Spengler said in the 1920s... about the evolution of a civilization.

That the only power that will oppose money is blood (ie race/culture ties). And he wasn't aware of peak oil.

We are going back to the old way of doing things... (that person looks and talks different than you and me, hit him with a rock)

Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan heck even New Orleans (during Katrina) are just signs of the times.

Just wait until globalization is killed on the altar of peak oil...

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'F')ollowing your logic, blood ties would have marooned us to the cave let alone be subsumed in our economic quest for more resources as we crossed oceans and mongrelised with fellow economic aspirants from other corners of regions and the planet. Yet humankind has relentlessly spread, adapted and melded in this spread from its early African roots well beyond these primeval blood ties and in defiance of those very blood ties.

At the root of all these calls to blood ties lies economics. We harken back to these so-called blood ties not because of those ties but largely in response to economic imperatives. African tribalism persists in much the same way that tribalism persists in N Ireland between Catholic and Protestant and yet does not in the US. The effects of prior socio-economic causes.

Call it what you will, but the simple truth is that in times of economic crises we are just as prone to dispense with blood ties in our quest for economic security as in a previous era when, Lithuanian, Chinese, English, Irish, Polish, Japanese, Spaniard, East Endian, SE Asian cast adrift from their villages and family ties to give us the modern world of America, Canada, Dubai, South Africa etc, etc. Troubed places yes but evidence of man's adaptability.

edit: I find it curious that these arguments flow so robustly from America, the land of the mongrel. A land founded by those who defiantly left their blood ties at a time when a feudal and tribal Europe, in a bid to relieve land shortage (peak land), entered into a bloody turmoil that one would have assumed, would have triggered an even more latent tribalism. Instead, what we had was abandonment of the tribe in search of change...adaptation. Truly remarkable.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') know what Oswald Spengler said in the 1920s... about the evolution of a civilization.

That the only power that will oppose money is blood (ie race/culture ties). And he wasn't aware of peak oil.

We are going back to the old way of doing things... (that person looks and talks different than you and me, hit him with a rock)

Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan heck even New Orleans (during Katrina) are just signs of the times.

Just wait until globalization is killed on the altar of peak oil...

[americandream]

Economy contemplates the biology but biology serves economy. In a nutshell, bloodties underpin economy and yet, are a function of economy. One might say that economy drives our evoluton as with each new paradigm rises a new man but yet, whither economy without man. The paradox.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'F')ollowing your logic, blood ties would have marooned us to the cave let alone be subsumed in our economic quest for more resources as we crossed oceans and mongrelised with fellow economic aspirants from other corners of regions and the planet. Yet humankind has relentlessly spread, adapted and melded in this spread from its early African roots well beyond these primeval blood ties and in defiance of those very blood ties.

At the root of all these calls to blood ties lies economics. We harken back to these so-called blood ties not because of those ties but largely in response to economic imperatives. African tribalism persists in much the same way that tribalism persists in N Ireland between Catholic and Protestant and yet does not in the US. The effects of prior socio-economic causes.

Call it what you will, but the simple truth is that in times of economic crises we are just as prone to dispense with blood ties in our quest for economic security as in a previous era when, Lithuanian, Chinese, English, Irish, Polish, Japanese, Spaniard, East Endian, SE Asian cast adrift from their villages and family ties to give us the modern world of America, Canada, Dubai, South Africa etc, etc. Troubed places yes but evidence of man's adaptability.

edit: I find it curious that these arguments flow so robustly from America, the land of the mongrel. A land founded by those who defiantly left their blood ties at a time when a feudal and tribal Europe, in a bid to relieve land shortage (peak land), entered into a bloody turmoil that one would have assumed, would have triggered an even more latent tribalism. Instead, what we had was abandonment of the tribe in search of change...adaptation. Truly remarkable.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I') know what Oswald Spengler said in the 1920s... about the evolution of a civilization.

That the only power that will oppose money is blood (ie race/culture ties). And he wasn't aware of peak oil.

We are going back to the old way of doing things... (that person looks and talks different than you and me, hit him with a rock)

Bosnia, Rwanda, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan heck even New Orleans (during Katrina) are just signs of the times.

Just wait until globalization is killed on the altar of peak oil...