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Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 18:30:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ancouver patients needing neurosurgery, treatment for vascular diseases and other medically necessary procedures can expect to wait longer for care, NDP health critic Adrian Dix said Monday.

Dix said a Vancouver Coastal Health Authority document shows it is considering chopping more than 6,000 surgeries in an effort to make up for a dramatic budgetary shortfall that could reach $200 million.

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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 18:36:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ancouver patients needing neurosurgery, treatment for vascular diseases and other medically necessary procedures can expect to wait longer for care, NDP health critic Adrian Dix said Monday.

Dix said a Vancouver Coastal Health Authority document shows it is considering chopping more than 6,000 surgeries in an effort to make up for a dramatic budgetary shortfall that could reach $200 million.

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But, but.......but....... :shock: .......... :shock: ......they's got monies for wars and to bailout banks!!! They running printing presses to do stuffff with derivatives and things...why can't they print da money for sick folks? 8O
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby Maddog78 » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 19:18:45

I live in B.C.

Don't get too excited about this yet.
The N.D.P. is the left wing opposition party. They cry the sky is falling more often than chicken little.
If the Gov't confirms this is going to happen then run with it.
I'm betting it is pretty unlikely.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 19:28:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'I') live in B.C.

Don't get too excited about this yet.
The N.D.P. is the left wing opposition party. They cry the sky is falling more often than chicken little.
If the Gov't confirms this is going to happen then run with it.
I'm betting it is pretty unlikely.


We're going through a swathe of swingeing heath cuts here in New Zealand and I anticpate similar moves all across the anglo-saxon economies as these right wing coconuts seek to pay for their market funny business with our taxes.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby SilentRunning » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 19:38:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ancouver patients needing neurosurgery, treatment for vascular diseases and other medically necessary procedures can expect to wait longer for care, NDP health critic Adrian Dix said Monday.

Dix said a Vancouver Coastal Health Authority document shows it is considering chopping more than 6,000 surgeries in an effort to make up for a dramatic budgetary shortfall that could reach $200 million.


Of course, here in the capitalist nirvana that is the USA, medical care is "too cheap to meter", health insurance is so inexpensive that even the homeless can afford it, and people waiting for health care or being denied procedures is simply unknown. Those problems only happen where there is socialized medicine - that infinite horror of horrors.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 20:18:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SilentRunning', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ancouver patients needing neurosurgery, treatment for vascular diseases and other medically necessary procedures can expect to wait longer for care, NDP health critic Adrian Dix said Monday.

Dix said a Vancouver Coastal Health Authority document shows it is considering chopping more than 6,000 surgeries in an effort to make up for a dramatic budgetary shortfall that could reach $200 million.


Of course, here in the capitalist nirvana that is the USA, medical care is "too cheap to meter", health insurance is so inexpensive that even the homeless can afford it, and people waiting for health care or being denied procedures is simply unknown. Those problems only happen where there is socialized medicine - that infinite horror of horrors.


You got it there. :lol:
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 20:43:20

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We're going through a swathe of swingeing heath cuts here in New Zealand and I anticpate similar moves all across the anglo-saxon economies as these right wing coconuts seek to pay for their market funny business with our taxes.


these right wing coconuts seek to pay for their market funny business with our taxes.

Don't get fooled by the talk that blames one group on this. Unless of course you want to blame the DemocratRepublicans for the fiasco. Both parties know where their bread is buttered and that is taking care of the banksters.

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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 21:07:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreeFarmer', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
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We're going through a swathe of swingeing heath cuts here in New Zealand and I anticpate similar moves all across the anglo-saxon economies as these right wing coconuts seek to pay for their market funny business with our taxes.


these right wing coconuts seek to pay for their market funny business with our taxes.

Don't get fooled by the talk that blames one group on this. Unless of course you want to blame the DemocratRepublicans for the fiasco. Both parties know where their bread is buttered and that is taking care of the banksters.

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If you have been around here long enough, you will know I'm a marxist and don't take either faction seriously. Having said that, I would be failing in my obligation to not confront free market free loading whenever it rears its head.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby TreeFarmer » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 21:17:58

AD I really don't "keep track" of my fellow posters even though I read their posts, so, your being a marxist was unknown to me.

As for me, I father was a Republican, I was a Republican, but I've switched to Libertarian and I'm damn proud of it!

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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 21:31:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SilentRunning', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'V')ancouver patients needing neurosurgery, treatment for vascular diseases and other medically necessary procedures can expect to wait longer for care, NDP health critic Adrian Dix said Monday.

Dix said a Vancouver Coastal Health Authority document shows it is considering chopping more than 6,000 surgeries in an effort to make up for a dramatic budgetary shortfall that could reach $200 million.


Of course, here in the capitalist nirvana that is the USA, medical care is "too cheap to meter", health insurance is so inexpensive that even the homeless can afford it, and people waiting for health care or being denied procedures is simply unknown. Those problems only happen where there is socialized medicine - that infinite horror of horrors.


You got it there. :lol:

Which part of medicare and medicaid are capitalist? How about that tax code that all but requires corporate-sponsored medical insurance for bug bites and diaper rashes? Remember when they used the tax code to encourage folks to take out mortgages and all people did was bid up the price? We need health care freedom.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 23:07:35

Which part of medicare and medicaid are capitalist? How about that tax code that all but requires corporate-sponsored medical insurance for bug bites and diaper rashes? Remember when they used the tax code to encourage folks to take out mortgages and all people did was bid up the price? We need health care freedom.[/quote]

Which part of a tax code that seeks to Thatcherise the poor into homeowners don't you get? Which part of a tax code that promotes the privately owned asset over the socialised asset don't you get.

Marxists want no truck with scams. This world is for all to use and take is our belief. We remain resolute in that belief despite the "left" label being bandied about as marxian. It isn't. You can reinvent any old story to sustain the ponzi scheme but the fact remains, we ran a Soviet in the USSR with not a single tax coded housing scam and we still got harangued for not having "choice". In your economies, you impose these ideological fundamentals by using the tax code and when things go bad, its our fault for too much choice. Its the fault of your travel mates. Had we run the show, there would be no private ownership of homes. All it does is create bubbles, scams and the homeless.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 23:10:51

Get a job.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby lowem » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 23:22:16

From my own anecdotal evidence, comparing what I paid at a clinic I haven't visited for about a year, and for the same exact medicine given, antibiotics and panadol, I calculated that the ongoing Singapore medical inflation rate has been running at 40%.

Well, of course it's anecdotal, and different regions have different rates of medical inflation, but if it is anywhere near indicative, that means that something's got to give somewhere.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 23:44:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'G')et a job.


Go find your own bailout money and quit scrounging for my taxes, boss!
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 07:36:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Which part of a tax code that seeks to Thatcherise the poor into homeowners don't you get? Which part of a tax code that promotes the privately owned asset over the socialised asset don't you get.

Marxists want no truck with scams. This world is for all to use and take is our belief. We remain resolute in that belief despite the "left" label being bandied about as marxian. It isn't. You can reinvent any old story to sustain the ponzi scheme but the fact remains, we ran a Soviet in the USSR with not a single tax coded housing scam and we still got harangued for not having "choice". In your economies, you impose these ideological fundamentals by using the tax code and when things go bad, its our fault for too much choice. Its the fault of your travel mates. Had we run the show, there would be no private ownership of homes. All it does is create bubbles, scams and the homeless.


And despite all its great wonders, lol, the USSR still had major problems with IV drug use and alcoholism.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby rangerone314 » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 07:40:11

Has anyone actually done a breakdown of how hospitals etc spent money and took money in say in 2008 vs 1978?

Like how much does an X-ray machine cost or penicillin and how much it actually costs to make.

An actual detailed breakdown as to where the actual increases have been.

For example, I doubt a stethoscope costs 10X what it did in 1978. So logically if costs go up 10X, there are some costs going up 2X because of normal inflation and somethings going up like 30X.

We need to look at the 30X type of things.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby PrestonSturges » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 10:32:20

And because the Canadians spend pennies for their military, they are forced to cram an inordinate amount of waste and payola into their medical system instead. And in Canada, pretty much anything goes legally.
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby frankthetank » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 11:58:26

I also wonder how many of these surgeries are actually necessary. Like what if citizen X has a huge giant butt and they need new knees or back surgeries or other non life threatening surgery.

I think a change of lifestyle for many patients would cure a lot of problems, although i realize if your arm is severed or you have a giant tumor in your brain, you might need that surgery!
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby frankthetank » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 12:03:28

Really if you have a lot of medical problems and have some money, your better off just leaving the country and moving to India. I'm serious. The costs between the two are staggering for even complicated procedures. I read a $6500 CT scan here in the states can be had done for just over $100 in some areas of India...

Sell the house/cars and cash out...buy gold and head to India :)
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Re: Canada: Thousands of surgeries may be cut

Unread postby lper100km » Wed 19 Aug 2009, 12:48:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')nd in Canada, pretty much anything goes legally.

I think that's called 'freedom'.
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