[the48thronin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'Q')uestion though, is mixing the races really the cure for racism? India is highly mixed yet they still instituted the caste system/racial heirarchy...plenty of racism in other mixed countries as well such as brazil, mexico (against the native mayans still left) etc etc...

[NTBKtrader]

48th? i don't get it...

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'T')he United States of America has a deep, deep history of racism. It's laid out in all soul-destroying detail in Howard Zinn's A People's History Of The United States, which is a very good read, if you're interested.

Philosophically, you cannot square the ideals embodied in the Constitution with the simmering racism that exists in the country - mostly in the South but arguably everywhere to some extent. Anti-racism measures have had to be forced upon the US populace, more or less, from the top down. Remember, we saw top politicians decrying racism in the late 50's and early 60's, well before all the civil rights actions a few years later.

[NTBKtrader]

That was kinda racist JD...

[the48thronin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', '4')8th? i don't get it...

[NTBKtrader]

so pretending race/sex/religion doesn't exist makes racism/sexism/hate disappear?

[americandream]

Sexism, racism, feudalism and tribalism are symptoms of surplus. When there is surplus in the system, efforts will be made to secure preferential access, invariably with a class bias but with race or gender adding a populist element to that otherwise circumscribed access.

It's a given that in the process of transitioning to the planet's future limits, varieties of these will be resorted to in a bid to preserve the last remanants of that preferential access. However, where they will ultimately fail is in their tendency to preserve the infinite within the limits of the finite.

So yes, we will transition through a period of ruthless bloodletting and quite significant die-off but in the finality we will have to concede to the limits imposed on us BUT within the context of globalised imperatives. We will not be able to uninvent the globalisation of whole regions from the settled Americas to the impending exodus to Asia, just as all previous empires were the foundations upon which later systems sprung from.

One of the changes will involve the realisation that todays foreign resourced ethno-regional cornucopia is the destiny for tomorrows hordes of resourcestan refugee, etc, etc. It's the simple realisation that burning down your neighbours house risks having your neighbour squatting in your bedroom. The era of long term geo-politics will emerge.

This all sounds utopian but cooperation forms the basis of all our lives and is all around us. We tend to take it for granted until we are devoid of choices, which is when we seek out the birth family, tribe, race, gender, etc, etc. This would be subtly different however. I would liken it to a scientific tribalism minus the greed agenda (due to a lack of much to be greedy over) but based on shared commonalities with an overarching global character.

[Auntie_Cipation]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', '4')8th? i don't get it...

[the48thronin]

When you remove the classification of people, you remove the perception of difference, stratification, and codification. Then you remove the ability to use that codification officially. take away the benefit you remove the tendency to use and accentuate.

is that clearer?

[Auntie_Cipation]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'W')hen you remove the classification of people, you remove the perception of difference, stratification, and codification. Then you remove the ability to use that codification officially. take away the benefit you remove the tendency to use and accentuate.

is that clearer?

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Auntie_Cipation', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', 'W')hen you remove the classification of people, you remove the perception of difference, stratification, and codification. Then you remove the ability to use that codification officially. take away the benefit you remove the tendency to use and accentuate.

is that clearer?

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('the48thronin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'Q')uestion though, is mixing the races really the cure for racism? India is highly mixed yet they still instituted the caste system/racial heirarchy...plenty of racism in other mixed countries as well such as brazil, mexico (against the native mayans still left) etc etc...

[americandream]

Curbing bad parenting that breeds precocious "me firsters" would be a better option. I put it down to too much of everything as a child personally.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'h')ow about banning marriages within the same race? And banning single women from raising children of their race? Now that should work.

[Grautr]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', 'C')ome again? Is this for a specific immigrant group or in general? One of the biggest bugbears of the far right is just how well integrated the afro-carribeans got with white girls.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', 'W')hat would be even more worrying is the possibility of ethnic genicide similar to what occured in Rwanda. Population pressure is gaining acceptance for the cause of what happened there now.

[JohnDenver]

Another article on the same phenomenon:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')xperts who track hate groups across the U.S. are growing increasingly concerned over violent rhetoric targeted at President Obama.

The Secret Service is investigating a Maryland man who held a sign reading "Death to Obama" and "Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids" outside a town hall meeting this week. And in New Hampshire, another man stood across the street from a Presidential town hall with his gun on full display.

[...]

"I don't think these are simply people who are mentally ill or off their rocker," Mark Potok, director of the Intelligence Project at the Southern Poverty Law Center, told ABC News of those behind the threats. "In a very real sense they represent a genuine reaction, a genuine backlash against Obama."

Experts say a sharp growth in so-called militia groups that helped spawn a wave of domestic terrorism in the 1990s – and are now using YouTube, rock music and the Internet to recruit members and spread hate and fear - shouldn't be ignored.

"I think the president has, in effect, triggered fears amongst fairly large numbers of white people in this country that they are somehow losing their country, that the battle is lost," Potok told ABC News. "The nation that their Christian white forefathers created has somehow been taken from them."

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'S')exism, racism, feudalism and tribalism are symptoms of surplus. When there is surplus in the system, efforts will be made to secure preferential access, invariably with a class bias but with race or gender adding a populist element to that otherwise circumscribed access.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'A')nd when there is scarcity, the men contrive rules that allow them to deprive members of their own family. The Taliban would rather burn down schools than let girls learn to read.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')The Taliban did not naturally evolve contextually. They were invented by the CIA to fight the Soviets, during a time of CIA subsidised mujaheddin surplus. They exist within a global sea of disproportionate surplus and, if you read my posts, they do refer to one facet of this paradigm constituting the refugee problem we have all grown accustomed to. In other words, disproportionate surplus on a global scale is characterised by excess of surplus as well as scarcity.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')The Taliban did not naturally evolve contextually. They were invented by the CIA to fight the Soviets, during a time of CIA subsidised mujaheddin surplus. They exist within a global sea of disproportionate surplus and, if you read my posts, they do refer to one facet of this paradigm constituting the refugee problem we have all grown accustomed to. In other words, disproportionate surplus on a global scale is characterised by excess of surplus as well as scarcity.