[Plantagenet]

China's top climate change Czar says china will start to reduce its emissions in 2050 and won't consider capping emissions until then because it might hurt their economy.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d11ae554-88fd-11de-b50f-00144feabdc0.html

Given that China will add the equivalent of the entire US's CO2 emissions in about 15 years, by
2050 China should be equal to about 3X current US emissions.

[Plantagenet]

Since china is going to add the equivalent of two more USAs by 2050, its pointless for the US to spend trillions to reduce its own CO2 production by 5-10%. Any reduction made by the US will be swamped by the new CO2 production being built in China.

To put it into perspective, the entire CO2 reduction contemplated by the US will be overwhelmed by a single years new CO2 production added by China, and China is going to keep adding new CO2 production for the next 40 years.

[eastbay]

What the USA does to reduce air pollution should be focused on making the air safer to breathe. The CO2 reduction efforts intended to 'save humanity' or 'save the planet' are a waste of time and money.

[mefistofeles]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o put it into perspective, the entire CO2 reduction contemplated by the US will be overwhelmed by a single years new CO2 production added by China, and China is going to keep adding new CO2 production for the next 40 years

[essex]

[quote="eastbay"]What the USA does to reduce air pollution should be focused on making the air safer to breathe. The CO2 reduction efforts intended to 'save humanity' or 'save the planet' are a waste of time and money.[/quote]

Amen to that " breath of fresh air"

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mefistofeles', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o put it into perspective, the entire CO2 reduction contemplated by the US will be overwhelmed by a single years new CO2 production added by China, and China is going to keep adding new CO2 production for the next 40 years

[Cloud9]

So by capping ourselves, we only weaken our position in the coming resource wars.

[kjmclark]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'G')iven that China will add the equivalent of the entire US's CO2 emissions in about 15 years, by 2050 China should be equal to about 3X current US emissions.

[kjmclark]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'S')o by capping ourselves, we only weaken our position in the coming resource wars.

[Cloud9]

You mean by building no more coal fired plants we are some how stronger?

[hillsidedigger]

My guess is that most of the Chinese will be poisoned to death long before the year 2050.

[Cloud9]

Not likely. Have you checked the numbers?

[kjmclark]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'Y')ou mean by building no more coal fired plants we are some how stronger?

[dorlomin]

Carbon tax at the point of consumption and to hell with cap and trade. Reward those who can manufacturing using the least carbon.

See how quickly the Chinese change their minds.

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('essex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'W')hat the USA does to reduce air pollution should be focused on making the air safer to breathe. The CO2 reduction efforts intended to 'save humanity' or 'save the planet' are a waste of time and money.[/quote]

Amen to that " breath of fresh air"

[essex]

•Q: The cost of cutting greenhouse gases, greenhouse emissions, has been estimated at about $300 billion a year ...

•A: Yes, the U.N. calls it a phenomenal amount of money. ... Guess who's going to be in charge of spending and overseeing the money? This is their dream. Controlling carbon dioxide is a bureaucrat's dream. He who controls carbon controls life. And right now the U.N. is a field of dreams. These U.N. bureaucrats can think of nothing better. It's the ultimate, ultimate control of human behavior across the globe.

We inhale oxygen; we exhale carbon dioxide. If you can regulate and declare a toxic pollutant what we exhale from our mouth, you've achieved a level of control George Orwell didn't even contemplate in his book "1984."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 38348.html

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('essex', 'â')€¢Q: The cost of cutting greenhouse gases, greenhouse emissions, has been estimated at about $300 billion a year ...

•A: Yes, the U.N. calls it a phenomenal amount of money. ... Guess who's going to be in charge of spending and overseeing the money? This is their dream. Controlling carbon dioxide is a bureaucrat's dream. He who controls carbon controls life. And right now the U.N. is a field of dreams. These U.N. bureaucrats can think of nothing better. It's the ultimate, ultimate control of human behavior across the globe.

We inhale oxygen; we exhale carbon dioxide. If you can regulate and declare a toxic pollutant what we exhale from our mouth, you've achieved a level of control George Orwell didn't even contemplate in his book "1984."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 38348.html

[dorlomin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('essex', ' ')we exhale carbon dioxide. If you can regulate and declare a toxic pollutant what we exhale from our mouth,

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('essex', ' ')we exhale carbon dioxide. If you can regulate and declare a toxic pollutant what we exhale from our mouth,