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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby Pretorian » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 00:30:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
')Stupid rednecks... If I was one of those 1920 coal miners ...


Sorry Range if you were a coal-miner in 1920s wouldn't you accept the risks associated with profession before committing to it? They weren't forcibly recruited werent they? And I would guess they were getting more money than if they did something else, if so why blame owners? They volunteered for extra risk for extra pay. Just like people do in any other profession. You can't blame one group for stupidity of another.


You must have missed the private army with machine guns.

A lot like Ford Motor Company and his Pinkertons.

Is getting shot by the mine owners a work place risk?


sorry-- I indeed missed that part with machine guns. Its really appalling-- why a property owner should bother hiring a private army if he pays taxes to support a public one.
FYI: people who got shot were a part of a 15000-strong armed mob who were marching toward someone elses property, where they werent exactly welcomed. If I'll see a stranger with a bare gun on my property I won't bother asking what is he doing there.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'A')lso, if the owners don't like people going on strike then they can CLOSE THE MINE. Isn't business failure a risk the owners VOLUNTEERED for?


sorry I do not see logic there. If people go on strike you either deal with them or hire other people and let them strike as long as they want.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', ' ')Lets have less pay, more pollution, less worker rights, and lets make sure that the people who have power get MORE, because lord knows they are doing such a swell job that they
deserve more money and power.

sorry buddy, i dont think you have a choice there.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 01:14:52

Oh, the irony! :lol:
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby eastbay » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 03:06:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', ' ')

As for this namby pambly notion of leftism you get out of vegetarian magazines and new age twaddle, more twaddle.

Marxists are as much about moulding humankind as the travelling companions of global capital, it's "lumpenproletariat" apologists, are about furthering the fabricating and manipulating of reality to preserve their masters skewed privilege. The fewer of these roaches, the minimal is their impact.


I agree. The fake leftism we are bombarded with daily has no relationship to the leftism we need. [smilie=icon_salut.gif]

I love it when you talk like that AD! Reminds me of the good old days. :)
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 03:36:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', ' ')

As for this namby pambly notion of leftism you get out of vegetarian magazines and new age twaddle, more twaddle.

Marxists are as much about moulding humankind as the travelling companions of global capital, it's "lumpenproletariat" apologists, are about furthering the fabricating and manipulating of reality to preserve their masters skewed privilege. The fewer of these roaches, the minimal is their impact.


I agree. The fake leftism we are bombarded with daily has no relationship to the leftism we need. [smilie=icon_salut.gif]

I love it when you talk like that AD! Reminds me of the good old days. :)


High culture, philosophy, discipline, order, music and sport, the upliftment of the individual intellectually and in terms of his or her service to community. These are perennial values EB and they will withstand the test of time and the shallow, degenerate shell that passes for political acumen. All in good time as we traverse the dying gasps of the barbaric.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby dorlomin » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 04:33:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he term had its origins in South Africa during the Boer war, in the Afrikaans word, "rooinek", a euphemism to distinguish the recently arrived English speakers (often less hardy as well) and Victoria's army from the Volk. It is still extensively used by Afrikaners.

Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

And which Boer war are you referring too?
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby Grautr » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 04:49:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'S')o by capping ourselves, we only weaken our position in the coming resource wars. :cry:



But what a great idealogical reason for the West to go to war with China (over resources). 'We need to stop these bastards killing our planet and create a better world for our children' sounds much better than 'We need to take these resources before them to keep our economy growing'.

Soldiers with a strong idealogical backing are much more motivated than those just doing it for pay.

'Uncle Sam needs you to kill little yellow people and save planet Earth'.

I can see the posters now.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 05:00:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'T')he term had its origins in South Africa during the Boer war, in the Afrikaans word, "rooinek", a euphemism to distinguish the recently arrived English speakers (often less hardy as well) and Victoria's army from the Volk. It is still extensively used by Afrikaners.

Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

And which Boer war are you referring too?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-African
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 05:07:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cloud9', 'S')o by capping ourselves, we only weaken our position in the coming resource wars. :cry:



But what a great idealogical reason for the West to go to war with China (over resources). 'We need to stop these bastards killing our planet and create a better world for our children' sounds much better than 'We need to take these resources before them to keep our economy growing'.

Soldiers with a strong idealogical backing are much more motivated than those just doing it for pay.

'Uncle Sam needs you to kill little yellow people and save planet Earth'.

I can see the posters now.


Oh puhleeze. Uncle Sam has no intention whatsoever of killing the Chinese goose laying his ever growing pile of golden eggs. What utter foolishness to even contemplate the notion of this world's elite being in the slightest bit concerned as to what our views are.

What deluded thinking!!
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby Grautr » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 05:24:39

Most military historians agree that the Waffen SS of WWII were the best soldiers from both a motivational and tactical point of view. They were molded and trained from a young age and it was the political ideas instilled in them which made them better combatants.

Oliver Cromwell,of English civil war fame, Ws an outstanding cavalry commander. A major reason for this was he used to handpick his men from the most devout puritan and sectarians, their ideologybeing 'God is on our side'.

I dont know what your defining by elite but our polititians definatly care what we think. Its called propaganda and you can find it by turning on the TV.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 05:39:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', 'M')ost military historians agree that the Waffen SS of WWII were the best soldiers from both a motivational and tactical point of view. They were molded and trained from a young age and it was the political ideas instilled in them which made them better combatants.

Oliver Cromwell,of English civil war fame, Ws an outstanding cavalry commander. A major reason for this was he used to handpick his men from the most devout puritan and sectarians, their ideologybeing 'God is on our side'.

I dont know what your defining by elite but our polititians definatly care what we think. Its called propaganda and you can find it by turning on the TV.


And what is the propaganda they fill your heads with? Work, consume, play. If politicians (managers) care for you, its to the extent that you will profit their masters, the owners of wealth and enterprises that feed our consumerism. And these masters are additionally invested in China.

Irrespective of whether you are loyally goose stepping to a local overlord or frantically queuing up for the next big discount, you never enjoy the fruits of your own commonwealth but invariably act on behalf of someone else.

That someone has since matured into a global player. Understand that and you may understand why the world you know will change beyond recognition before you die. Don't and you will die a confused and disillusioned individual.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby Maddog78 » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 05:52:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Irrespective of whether you are loyally goose stepping to a local overlord or frantically queuing up for the next big discount, you never enjoy the fruits of your own commonwealth but invariably act on behalf of someone else.


I'm sorry to hear your life has been so full of dissapointments.
Maybe you have never been able to find a job that pays you more than $10/hr?
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 06:27:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Irrespective of whether you are loyally goose stepping to a local overlord or frantically queuing up for the next big discount, you never enjoy the fruits of your own commonwealth but invariably act on behalf of someone else.


I'm sorry to hear your life has been so full of dissapointments.
Maybe you have never been able to find a job that pays you more than $10/hr?


I day trade forex and am a tax lawyer professionally. As I have said once before in this forum, earning an income is not the issue and does not make me; learning to think independently is what defines me. My earning acumen is an incidental, I could just as well be earning a fraction of what I do working as a fisherman in a society that is truly representative of my interests and would be the better for it.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby dorlomin » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 07:22:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', 'M')ost military historians agree that the Waffen SS of WWII were the best soldiers from both a motivational and tactical point of view. They were molded and trained from a young age and it was the political ideas instilled in them which made them better combatants.
Vetrans of Bastoigne and Arnham would have something to say about that. The waffen ss were an elite formation but I dont think they were any better than other elite fromations, even the German fallschirmjager would have been at the very least every bit as good. And from a tactical POV, I dont think the SS differed from heer tactics. I think the SS is over mythologised.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-African
[/quote] Thanks but why the link? Doesnt say anything about American rednecks deriving their name from Afrikaans.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 08:00:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dorlomin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grautr', 'M')ost military historians agree that the Waffen SS of WWII were the best soldiers from both a motivational and tactical point of view. They were molded and trained from a young age and it was the political ideas instilled in them which made them better combatants.
Vetrans of Bastoigne and Arnham would have something to say about that. The waffen ss were an elite formation but I dont think they were any better than other elite fromations, even the German fallschirmjager would have been at the very least every bit as good. And from a tactical POV, I dont think the SS differed from heer tactics. I think the SS is over mythologised.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-African
Thanks but why the link? Doesnt say anything about American rednecks deriving their name from Afrikaans.[/quote]

It's orgins are a matter of conjecture but never mind, we shan't ermbark on an lenghty diatribe as to who used the term first. The term is synonymous with ignorance and injustice amongst Afrikaners.

On the matter of those brave Nazi's, lets not forget that an army of Soviet peasants whipped their jackbooted asses all the way back to the Vaderland.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby Maddog78 » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 13:13:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Irrespective of whether you are loyally goose stepping to a local overlord or frantically queuing up for the next big discount, you never enjoy the fruits of your own commonwealth but invariably act on behalf of someone else.


I'm sorry to hear your life has been so full of dissapointments.
Maybe you have never been able to find a job that pays you more than $10/hr?


I day trade forex and am a tax lawyer professionally. As I have said once before in this forum, earning an income is not the issue and does not make me; learning to think independently is what defines me. My earning acumen is an incidental, I could just as well be earning a fraction of what I do working as a fisherman in a society that is truly representative of my interests and would be the better for it.



I really don't understand you then.
I would normally call bullshit on that last sentence but like I said I really don't understand you.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby Grautr » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 17:51:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '[')
And what is the propaganda they fill your heads with? Work, consume, play. If politicians (managers) care for you, its to the extent that you will profit their masters, the owners of wealth and enterprises that feed our consumerism. And these masters are additionally invested in China.



The best laid plans of mice and men; Do you not think with downslope oil depletion going on in the near future the trade connections between the West and China could be strained to breaking point?

China firstly could have its own internal problems very quickly with a 6 to 8% growth rate. It has a protectionist government which can be very reactionary.

Then theres the interconnections between China and the US, China servicing US debt and the skyrocketing US deficit. At the moment these are not real problems but could be in a future where a basic resource like oil cant be pumped out of the ground fast enough to suport either of their economies.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 18:45:56

Whats there to understand. I play the markets, I tax advise globals on cross border transactions invariably involving not paying tax or as little as they can get away with. I know where the money's going and what the man's up to. He pays me well, I live well, I read and have an independent mind. I observe the craziness in China (in the course of my work) and it's the wild west out there when it comes to making lolly. This wont last but its far from over, unfortunately, for the imminent doomers.

edit: and you people haven't a clue whats going on out there. Enron....lol. Madoff....lol. Thier crime lay in being caught. Your tax....mostly wasted on shit. If it weren't for you going about your daily alloted tasks and paying your taxes dutifully, the West woulda been dirt poor. Now that the Chinese fit your shoes admirably, the money men don't need you...its that simple. Whats holding the fabric of our societies together is the small man who believes in decency and community.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Irrespective of whether you are loyally goose stepping to a local overlord or frantically queuing up for the next big discount, you never enjoy the fruits of your own commonwealth but invariably act on behalf of someone else.


I'm sorry to hear your life has been so full of dissapointments.
Maybe you have never been able to find a job that pays you more than $10/hr?


I day trade forex and am a tax lawyer professionally. As I have said once before in this forum, earning an income is not the issue and does not make me; learning to think independently is what defines me. My earning acumen is an incidental, I could just as well be earning a fraction of what I do working as a fisherman in a society that is truly representative of my interests and would be the better for it.



I really don't understand you then.
I would normally call bullshit on that last sentence but like I said I really don't understand you.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby Maddog78 » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 19:32:06

You live an uber capitalist (tax lawyer and day trader fer chrissakes) and presumably comfortable lifestyle but yet you seem to support a switch to a much more socialist or even communist type of gov't and living.
You also say things like you would be just as happy to be a fisherman?
Limousine liberal?
I don't buy it.
Walk the walk.
Pack it all in and go fishing.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby americandream » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 20:13:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Maddog78', 'Y')ou live an uber capitalist (tax lawyer and day trader fer chrissakes) and presumably comfortable lifestyle but yet you seem to support a switch to a much more socialist or even communist type of gov't and living.
You also say things like you would be just as happy to be a fisherman?
Limousine liberal?
I don't buy it.
Walk the walk.
Pack it all in and go fishing.


I advise these bloodsuckers, I entertain them, wine and dine with them, know what they think of their employees.....I wouldn't be an employee for all the tea in China and I'm grateful I had the opportunity to be my own boss. However, I know only too well who makes these leeches their wealth...the little guy who clocks in dutifully each day and does his job, not these 2-4 spongers.

Sure I'ld like a saner society but theres no way I am gonna play happy tree hugger in this nuthouse. Doesn't work mate! Seen one too many dewey eyed idealist get burnt after I had warned them...fools. It's nuts and I might as well make sure I am not dependant on it for anything other than the absolute necessities.
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Re: China won't cap or reduce CO2 emission until 2050

Postby Maddog78 » Tue 18 Aug 2009, 23:33:30

OK
You're a bit of a dreamer but actually a realist when it comes down to it.
That's cool. :)
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