[copious.abundance]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('isgota', 'I') think you have forgotten that making oil products consumes huge quantities of energy (about 10% of the energy in a refinery). Anyway since you've asked for numbers, I'm going to give you a pair a well-to-wheels studies:

- American study (see section 4.1).

- European study (both well-to-tank and tank-to-wheels).

To sum up the results for CNG, total energy consumption is a little less than gasoline and a little more than diesel, but in both cases reduces pollution.

[Blacksmith]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('isgota', 'I') think you have forgotten that making oil products consumes huge quantities of energy (about 10% of the energy in a refinery). Anyway since you've asked for numbers, I'm going to give you a pair a well-to-wheels studies:

- American study (see section 4.1).

- European study (both well-to-tank and tank-to-wheels).

To sum up the results for CNG, total energy consumption is a little less than gasoline and a little more than diesel, but in both cases reduces pollution.

[Gerben]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blacksmith', 'U')nconventional gas reservoirs have to be in many instances dewatered and the gas is produced at low pressures and must be pressurized to pipe line standards, before the comparatively little processing.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gerben', '
')Dewatering doesn't take a lot of energy (most of the water just condenses, allowing you to tap the water off). I've talked about pressurizing before. The lower the pipeline pressure the less energy it costs. It's only significant if you make CNG.

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HumbleScribe', '
')Reserve: production ratios for coal are hundreds of years. Or are you only talking about the US?

[Gerben]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', 'I')f you don't do a good job dewatering, can it cause a real issue at typical CNG pressures? Remember, folks' cars need to operate extremely reliably under all kinds of adverse weather conditions.

[Tyler_JC]

I think people need to realize that BAU is constantly evolving. There's really no "usual".

In the 1950s and 1960s, BAU was petroleum demand doubling every decade. During that same time period, the BAU solution to the natural gas problem was to burn the gas off. It was considered a dangerous waste product of oil production.

Now we use it generate electricity and power city buses. Some day, relatively soon, it might power a significant portion of our auto fleet.

Knee-jerk rejections of new technology because they don't fit into your preconceived notion of the world aren't helpful.

[Gerben]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'n')ew technology

[shortonsense]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Knee-jerk rejections of new technology because they don't fit into your preconceived notion of the world aren't helpful.

[anador]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Knee-jerk rejections of new technology because they don't fit into your preconceived notion of the world aren't helpful.

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonsense', 'T')he uni-directional thinking around here tends to double clutch the instant it becomes obvious that "eternal growth" is just a strawman assembled to allow Doomers to bash BAU.

[mcgowanjm]

All new money going into the Black Hole of
a $ quadrillion in debt derivatives.

Producing nothing.

Wall St's books are balanced while Main St is crushed.

Rapid Collapse Ensues.

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('anador', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')Knee-jerk rejections of new technology because they don't fit into your preconceived notion of the world aren't helpful.

[TheAntiDoomer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', 'A')ll new money going into the Black Hole of
a $ quadrillion in debt derivatives.

Producing nothing.

Wall St's books are balanced while Main St is crushed.

Rapid Collapse Ensues.

[mcgowanjm]

TonyPrep post, two up"

shortonsense wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he uni-directional thinking around here tends to double clutch the instant it becomes obvious that "eternal growth" is just a strawman assembled to allow Doomers to bash BAU.
So you think that economic growth has to end at some point? Good. What kind of situation might cause it to end (hopefully in a controlled way)?

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', 'T')he posts denying the production of all this gas were very entertaining. We've only just begun to tap most of these plays and more are being discovered on a regular basis. Face it guys, there will be affordable n. gas for 100 years +. -Maddog

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', 'T')he posts denying the production of all this gas were very entertaining. We've only just begun to tap most of these plays and more are being discovered on a regular basis. Face it guys, there will be affordable n. gas for 100 years +. -Maddog

[eastbay]

http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.asp ... 7656145563

Interesting quick NG read for you few remaining flat earthers out there.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')here is an oft-unspoken assumption among the cornucopians...

[mcgowanjm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OilFinder2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mcgowanjm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheAntiDoomer', 'T')he posts denying the production of all this gas were very entertaining. We've only just begun to tap most of these plays and more are being discovered on a regular basis. Face it guys, there will be affordable n. gas for 100 years +. -Maddog