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THE Steve Forbes / Forbes magazine Thread (merged)

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Re: Why is Forbes spreading lies?

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 18 May 2009, 01:54:25

Read your own darn article, jboogy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ccording to a 2005 editorial, published in the British Medical Journal and authored by Dr. Tony Delamothe, research done in Mexico, Ghana, Sweden, the U.S. and the U.K. shows that individuals typically get richer during their lifetimes, but not happier. It is family, social and community networks that bring joy to one's life, according to Delamothe.

The OECD data shows that another important factor is work-life balance. While Scandinavian countries boast a high GDP per capita, the average workweek in that part of the world is no more than 37 hours. In China, which got a low score of just 14.8, the workweek is 47 hours and the GDP per capita is just $3,600.

Low unemployment also contributes to happiness. "One thing we know for sure," says the OECD's Chapple, "not having a job makes one substantially less satisfied." Denmark's unemployment rate is just 2%, according the C.I.A.'s World Factbook. Norway's is just 2.6%. The Netherlands: just 4.5%. Many economists concur that a 4% unemployment rate reflects a stable economy. The U.S. unemployment rate is currently 9%.


If you're looking for a real article on this subject, I suggest this one by the author of Gross National Happiness.

Can Money Buy Happiness?

Basically, money doesn't buy happiness, success does. If you feel successful, you will be happier.

The more successful people in a given society tend to be happier than the less successful people, regardless of income levels. Success is sometimes measured in monetary terms but is more often measured on the immeasurable like faith, family, and personal self esteem.
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Forbes "the end of fossil fuel"

Unread postby jimmyz » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 16:11:54

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Re: Forbes "the end of fossil fuel"

Unread postby Daniel_Plainview » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 16:39:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jimmyz', '[')url]http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/24/peak-oil-production-business-energy-nelder.html[/url]
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]If we move fast to re-localize production and proceed with the renewable revolution, we could end the 21st century with a largely carbon-free economy, putting an end to climate change and averting resource wars. We would have healthier food and a safer, more resilient and equitable world.



Awwww, a nice happy ending. :-D
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Re: Forbes "the end of fossil fuel"

Unread postby cualcrees » Fri 24 Jul 2009, 23:07:10

Yeah, they forgot the "...and they lived happily ever after..." :-D
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Re: Forbes "the end of fossil fuel"

Unread postby eastbay » Sat 25 Jul 2009, 03:03:04

Nice catch. I've sent it to a few doubters among my insanely diverse (regarding energy awareness consciousness) set of friends.

Their response as usual will be, 'oh man, not another one of eastbays silly oil stuff.' :)
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Re: Forbes "the end of fossil fuel"

Unread postby energyhoggin » Sun 26 Jul 2009, 03:30:20

"Oil production is expected to go into terminal decline around 2012. "


december 21, 2012, those mayans maybe were onto something
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Re: Forbes "the end of fossil fuel"

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 26 Jul 2009, 08:31:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('energyhoggin', '&')quot;Oil production is expected to go into terminal decline around 2012. "


december 21, 2012, those mayans maybe were onto something


The 2012'ers think PO is Bull. :lol:
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Re: Forbes "the end of fossil fuel"

Unread postby graycycle » Fri 31 Jul 2009, 18:16:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jimmyz', '[')url]http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/24/peak-oil-production-business-energy-nelder.html[/url]


It is amazing how reporters on PO try to end their articles with the same silver lining cliche; don't worry, it will all turn out to even nicer than what you now have. At least more of them are acknowledging the fact that we are on the brink of peak oil or just now slipping over the edge. Unfortunately, they cannot bring themselves to admit that the coming decades are very likely to be hell on wheels. There will be no nice, soft pillow to cushion our fall from the pinnacle of the Age of Oil. All viable forms of alternative energy cannot give us more than a small fraction of what we now get from conventional fossil fuels. Most here will live to see the end of private autos, commercial airlines, the national energy grid, shopping malls, much of suburbia, etc. Out of raw necessity we will dig up lawns and turn them into small gardens. Globalism will disappear from our vocabulary. People will learn to live within a short radius of their homes. It likely will be a rerun of the Great Depression on steroids but much, much longer.
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Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby pablonite » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 11:23:51

http://www.rferl.org/content/Forbes_Ric ... 80413.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK -- The editor in chief of "Forbes" magazine, Steve Forbes, says the number of new billionaires in the world is a sure sign that the global economy is recovering from its brush with disaster.

"The number of billionaires has gone from 793 last year to 1,011 this year, almost to where it was [in] the record level of 2008," Forbes told reporters at a new conference in New York to announce the magazine's annual ranking. "The overall net worth of these billionaires is $3.6 trillion, up from $2.4 trillion just a year ago -- a 50 percent increase."

In 2009, the global financial crisis wiped out some 300 members of the dollar-billionaires club. This year, 164 of them are back on the list, joined by 97 first-time members.

The average worth of the world's billionaires is now $3.5 billion, or $500 million more than last year. These fantastically rich citizens come from 55 countries -- two of which have never before made the list: Finland and Pakistan.

The biggest surprise on the list is the world's new richest man. With a personal fortune of $53.5 billion, Carlos Slim Helu, a mobile phone mogul from Mexico, has dethroned Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, who held the top spot for more than 10 years.


http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/12/02/18464823.ph
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y this method, the trillionaire masters of the universe remain hidden whilst Forbes magazine poses lower ranking
billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett as the richest men in the World. Retired management consultant
Gaylon Ross Sr, author of Who's Who of the Global Elite, has been tipped from a private source that the combined
wealth of the Rockefeller family in 1998 was approx (US) $11 trillion and the Rothschilds (U.S.) $100 trillion.


I think we need another list, the "too big to make the list" list or something, and listen to them.
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby rangerone314 » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 11:52:06

Its nice knowing that as people lose their homes or die after being denied health coverage that there are people like THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich ) who are going to able to afford yachts like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(yacht)
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby IslandCrow » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 12:41:33

And with Mexico in such a state it is nice to read how well some are profiting there:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')exican telecom giant Carlos Slim has topped Forbes magazine's billionaire's list - the first time since 1994 that an American has not led the rankings.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8560731.stm
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby Novus » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 12:55:02

More scoundrels is more like it. The rich always prosper off the suffering of the masses.
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby dinopello » Sun 14 Mar 2010, 14:23:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', 'I')ts nice knowing that as people lose their homes or die after being denied health coverage that there are people like THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich ) who are going to able to afford yachts like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(yacht)


Well, the Yacht has 70 crew and think of all the people that mined the oar for the metal and that worked in the plants to make the components and assemble and maintain the vessel. Lot of employment !

Then his security system sounds cool

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he yacht is also equipped with an anti-paparazzi shield in the form of lasers that sweep the surroundings, and when they detect a CCD, they fire a bolt of light right at the camera to obliterate any photograph.


But I hope that's not it, or else he is really stupid. First, going off and letting people know about the countermeasure, but if it is true, many digital cameras these days are going CMOS rather than CCD and anyway, what about old fashion film paparazzi ?
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby Windmills » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 11:57:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '
')Well, the Yacht has 70 crew and think of all the people that mined the oar for the metal and that worked in the plants to make the components and assemble and maintain the vessel. Lot of employment !


I have thought, or wondered, about all the people. Yacht-building never seems to be on any list of major global employers that I've read. The biggest industries appear to be the ones that serve the most people, not those that service the world's billionaires.

I'm not sure that the rich always get rich through the suffering of the poor, but they certainly don't get rich without skimming the fruits of their labor. That's where the real income redistribution occurs.
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby AAA » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 12:20:41

rangerone314,

Why is there always resentment against the rich? Because of jealousy.

Most rich people work harder, smarter, and longer than 99.9999% of Americans, including you and me.

Roman Abramovich spent roughly 5% of his net worth on that yacht. I am about to buy a Honda CR-V that will be way more than 5% of my net worth.

Who made the more expensive purchase? I did.
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby rangerone314 » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 12:50:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'r')angerone314,

Why is there always resentment against the rich? Because of jealousy.

Most rich people work harder, smarter, and longer than 99.9999% of Americans, including you and me.

Roman Abramovich spent roughly 5% of his net worth on that yacht. I am about to buy a Honda CR-V that will be way more than 5% of my net worth.

Who made the more expensive purchase? I did.

You made the more expensive purchase, and thousands of people making similiar purchases would have boosted the economy more with the money not spent on the ship.

Did you read about his background? Reminds me a little of Al Capone?

Most rich people are not rich because they necessarily are smarter or work harder or longer than 99.9999% of Americans. Too many are rich because they have the moral fiber of Jack the Ripper, they simply operate on a larger scale than your average con artist or car thief. (Maybe they ARE smarter and DO work harder than your average con artist or car thief)

I'd rather be living in a cardboard box eating out of a dumpster than to have to subscribe to their moral structure to succeed in life. I guess the issue is one shouldn't HAVE to.

You want to know why there is resentment against the rich? Its not jealousy. Its for the same reason rape victims resent rapists. Rapists aren't necessarily smarter or working harder than rape victims. Its not about WHAT they have, but mostly HOW they get it.

People don't resent rich lottery winners, they resent crooks, gangsters, lobbyists, etc.
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby AAA » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 13:04:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rangerone314', '
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I'd rather be living in a cardboard box eating out of a dumpster than to have to subscribe to their moral structure to succeed in life. I guess the issue is one shouldn't HAVE to.

You want to know why there is resentment against the rich? Its not jealousy. Its for the same reason rape victims resent rapists. Rapists aren't necessarily smarter or working harder than rape victims. Its not about WHAT they have, but mostly HOW they get it.

People don't resent rich lottery winners, they resent crooks, gangsters, lobbyists, etc.


Most people with a net worth over $1 million have never done anything worse than getting a speeding ticket or running a red light.
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby ColossalContrarian » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 15:10:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AAA', 'r')angerone314,

Why is there always resentment against the rich? Because of jealousy.

Most rich people work harder, smarter, and longer than 99.9999% of Americans, including you and me.

Roman Abramovich spent roughly 5% of his net worth on that yacht. I am about to buy a Honda CR-V that will be way more than 5% of my net worth.

Who made the more expensive purchase? I did.



AAA I've been following since you were( Joeltrout?) and it's nice to see you've switched from the Tahoe to something more efficient. It's also nice seeing you stay true to your original statements about the rich and to say the least, playing the game which many of us have no skin in but at the same time succeeding. I know rich people, millionaires -if you can consider a millionaire rich. The key is they’re wise, not all of them are deceitful. They are simply frugal.

The mega rich however I have other thoughts about and believe deceit is mostly their meal ticket.
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Re: Economy recovering, more billionaires says Forbes

Unread postby AAA » Mon 15 Mar 2010, 17:22:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', '
')AAA I've been following since you were( Joeltrout?) and it's nice to see you've switched from the Tahoe to something more efficient. It's also nice seeing you stay true to your original statements about the rich and to say the least, playing the game which many of us have no skin in but at the same time succeeding. I know rich people, millionaires -if you can consider a millionaire rich. The key is they’re wise, not all of them are deceitful. They are simply frugal.

The mega rich however I have other thoughts about and believe deceit is mostly their meal ticket.


Its nice to know that I haven't been totally forgotten.

Ludi gives me a lot of flak for my stances on income, net worth, and the $250k yearly income middle class here in SoCal. I know many here don't have faith in the financial system as we know it. I do have faith in our financial system.

There is a good campfire discussion about retirement on theoildrum.com and I will admit I disagree with almost everyone that has posted a reply.

I think if a person tries to make it solely on their own then they will end up tired, broken, and hungry.

Very few people can plant a self sufficient garden at 88 years old. A financial safety net is necessary.
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