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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby JJ » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:28:46

Perhaps it will be mandatory. MSM is starting to ramp up the panic about fall vaccines (they are already ready with the vaccine).
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Ludi » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:43:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'P')erhaps it will be mandatory. MSM is starting to ramp up the panic about fall vaccines (they are already ready with the vaccine).



How would everyone be rounded up to be vaccinated?
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Ferretlover » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:49:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ow would everyone be rounded up to be vaccinated?
Perhaps they will start with the 34,000,000 Americans Now On Food Stamps.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Ludi » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:51:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'P')erhaps they will start with the 34,000,000 Americans Now On Food Stamps.

How will they round up the people on food stamps and vaccinate them?
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Ferretlover » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:54:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ow will they round up the people on food stamps and vaccinate them?

It would not be necessary to round them up; all that is required is that they show up to register for or pick up the food stamps. "Whoa, there pardner. We're feeding you to keep you healthy, and we'll throw in these flu shots we know you can't afford." Voila!
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby JJ » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 19:59:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'P')erhaps they will start with the 34,000,000 Americans Now On Food Stamps.
How will they round up the people on food stamps and vaccinate them?

we had a discussion about this at work. The store director (who said he has never had a vaccine and will never take one) said he thought it would be presented as a good thing; "you can save x amount on your company insurance if you get this shot, etc."
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Ludi » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 20:02:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'w')e had a discussion about this at work. The store director (who said he has never had a vaccine and will never take one) said he thought it would be presented as a good thing; "you can save x amount on your company insurance if you get this shot, etc."

Seems pretty complicated having to negotiate with all the insurance companies and refigure everyone's premiums.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby JJ » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 20:35:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', 'w')e had a discussion about this at work. The store director (who said he has never had a vaccine and will never take one) said he thought it would be presented as a good thing; "you can save x amount on your company insurance if you get this shot, etc."
Seems pretty complicated having to negotiate with all the insurance companies and refigure everyone's premiums.

yeah, never thought of that...
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby kiwichick » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 21:07:30

900,000 deaths in the US?

900,000 =0.3% ?

no big deal

1918 spanish flu killed 20? million of significantly smaller base
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Ferretlover » Fri 10 Jul 2009, 21:34:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', '9')00,000 deaths in the US? 900,000 =0.3% ? no big deal

True, but, it's a start.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby kiwichick » Sat 11 Jul 2009, 05:54:06

what is the death rate in the US from anormal flu season?
in OZ it's 2500 - 3000
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby ohanian » Sat 11 Jul 2009, 19:19:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kiwichick', 'w')hat is the death rate in the US from anormal flu season?
in OZ it's 2500 - 3000


And what is the population of OZ?
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby IslandCrow » Sun 12 Jul 2009, 10:17:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')very year in the United States, on average 5% to 20% of the population gets the flu; more than 200,000 people are hospitalized from flu complications, and; about 36,000 people die from flu-related causes. Some people, such as older people, young children, and people with certain health conditions, are at high risk for serious flu complications.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/index.htm

Of course the 36 000 that CDC quotes is a statistical average...there are so many flu pages that I can't find it, but I remember one CDC page saying that the amount in the 1990s varied from 17 000 to 57 000 deaths.

If you want a good weekly summary of the USA try CDC's weekly report (the latest at: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/).

What I find sad about this, is that while the total deaths reported seem to be quite low, the figures of children dying seem to be way, way out of line with the normal situation. In a normal year for every child to die about 500 adults (mostly old people) die. So far CDC is reporting 22 pediatric deaths out of 211 deaths, a ration of 1:10.

[Stats from CDC: Influenza-Associated Pediatric deaths:
2005-06 46 deaths
2006-07 78 deaths
2007-08 88 deaths
2008-09 89 deaths (so far: 67 from normal flu, and 22 from Swine flu]

It is the death of the young that is, for me, the overwhelming tragedy of this Swine (Novel AH1N1) flu.

BTW. Australia's population is 21.3 million (2008 figure)
We should teach our children the 4-Rs: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle and Rejoice.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby pablonite » Sun 12 Jul 2009, 15:13:58

got tinfoil? :)
Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=14276

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.

Specifically, evidence is presented that the defendants, Barack Obama, President of the U.S, David Nabarro, UN System Coordinator for Influenza, Margaret Chan, Director-General of WHO, Kathleen Sibelius, Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services, Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Department of Homeland Security, David de Rotschild, banker, David Rockefeller, banker, George Soros, banker, Werner Faymann, Chancellor of Austria, and Alois Stoger, Austrian Health Minister, among others, are part of this international corporate criminal syndicate which has developed, produced, stockpiled and employed biological weapons to eliminate the population of the U.S. and other countries for financial and political gain...

Swine Flu Outbreak Or Bioterrorism And Intent To Commit Mass Murder?
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109836
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')urgermeister prepared an injunction against forced vaccination that is being filed in America.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby jbrovont » Sun 12 Jul 2009, 18:41:14

Some universities require students to be vaccinated to live in dorms. Several large stores in my city host free, and reduced cost vaccination services during fall move-ins for students. No one seems to think this odd, and I imagine this fall one of the available shots will be for swine flu.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby JJ » Sun 12 Jul 2009, 22:23:52

I'm alarmed that they are already talking about mass vaccinations in the public schools this fall...vaccines for a virus that doesn't yet exist? This doesn't seem right...

also, (and this is tin-foil) read somewhere that the reason that the young are so susceptible is that they eat McDonalds french fries which are a genetically modified potatoes and does something to exacerbate the problem...
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby lper100km » Mon 13 Jul 2009, 01:01:08

Wait a minute here, before everyone goes tinfoil.

Assuming such an evil vaccination program was planned and initiated, to work effectively, the whole intended population would have to be injected within a window of a few days. On the scale being suggested, this would take enormous planning and resources and probably prove to be impossible.

Otherwise, it could never be completed. People would fall ill in days after the injection and it would not take long for the correlation to be made. Independent lab tests of the vaccine would quickly prove the deceit.

You can’t have all the public school kids and university students dying after vaccination. That would surely attract some attention, no?
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby pablonite » Mon 13 Jul 2009, 10:07:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lper100km', 'A')ssuming such an evil vaccination program was planned and initiated, to work effectively, the whole intended population would have to be injected within a window of a few days. On the scale being suggested, this would take enormous planning and resources and probably prove to be impossible.

Otherwise, it could never be completed. People would fall ill in days after the injection and it would not take long for the correlation to be made. Independent lab tests of the vaccine would quickly prove the deceit.

You can’t have all the public school kids and university students dying after vaccination. That would surely attract some attention, no?

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking.

Can the incubation period be modified?

If there was some "mixup" and the live virus was jabbed into a large segment of the population would it take naturally in the population?

With all the hype so far it is easy to imagine a mass hysteria being carefully guided and managed for maximum effect. Of course, "special" people would already have their "special" jab done before TSHTF.

Meh, probably pure and utter tinfoil :)

Anyway, it looks like the plan is going ahead for a mass vaccination in the UK with some healthy profits to be reaped no matter what the outcome.

Swine flu vaccine rushed through safety checks
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 694046.ece

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') swine flu vaccine will be fast-tracked for use in Britain within five days once it is developed, and 130 million doses are on order...
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Ferretlover » Mon 13 Jul 2009, 10:48:13

Just a few items from three different sources:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Obama administration says swine flu vaccinations will likely start this fall
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, Thurs. 9 Jul 2009, 10:18 AM:
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration says vaccinations against swine flu are likely and probably will begin in mid-October, assuming soon-to-start studies go well.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says no final decision has been made. But she says first in line for shots likely will be school-age children, young adults with conditions such as asthma, pregnant women and health workers. Daily News
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Mandatory Swine Flu Vaccinations This Fall? by Paul Joseph Watson, Prison Planet.com, Friday, July 10, 2009:
Swine flu fearmongering is increasing in its intensity the closer we get to fall, which is the timeframe earmarked for the production and potential mandatory distribution of vaccines which may not even properly fight the virus.
Despite the fact that swine flu has killed far fewer people globally than the common flu virus since it was first discovered in April, media scare stories about H1N1 “epidemics” are becoming more and more frequent.
A death toll in Britain of 14, every one of whom had underlying health problems to begin with, has prompted fearmongering headlines despite the fact that the 1999-2000 seasonal flu outbreak affected more people. Add to this the fact that doctors are treating swathes of ordinary flu sufferers as swine flu cases and the exaggerated paranoia is plain to see.
InfoWars.com
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Students 1st in Line For Flu VaccineMass Campaign Against Pandemic May Begin in Fall By David Brown and Spencer S. Hsu, Washington Post Staff Writers , Friday, July 10, 2009:
School-age children will be a key target population for a pandemic flu vaccine in the fall, and they may be vaccinated at school in a mass campaign not seen since the polio epidemics of the 1950s.
Those were among the messages administration officials delivered to about 500 state, territorial, city and tribal health officials yesterday at a "flu summit" at the National Institutes of Health's Bethesda campus.
President Obama, speaking by audio link from the Group of Eight summit in L'Aquila, Italy, urged "complete ownership" of preparations for what he termed a "significant outbreak" of H1N1 flu in the next few months.
Washington Post

Mind you, I am not saying that future vaccinations are going to be the US version of 'the Showers,' but, I must agree that it would be one, unsuspected by the sheeple, way of making some sweeping changes.
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Re: Swine flu may kiill 45,000 to 900,000 in US

Postby Ludi » Mon 13 Jul 2009, 12:26:20

Swine flu vaccine is a way for vaccine companies to make money. These flu viruses mutate too quickly for a vaccine to be effective.
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