[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'C')hina will not survive. They are the most poorly placed country in all of this, worse even than the continent of Africa. The facts are China has 25% of the world's mouths, 6% of the world's fresh water, 7% of the world's arable land.

[AgentR]

To the topic at hand though, the unwinding... A recent experience gives me pause, and puts doubts to my wishing that the unwinding would happen not soon. Just a simple thing, but apparently not atypical.

My twenty year old A/C goes belly up, and I call a trusted contractor to come give it a poke, and basically its some model specific part that is no longer available thats just plain ole broke. A part that looks to me very much like one that is supposed to define the designed life expectancy of the unit. So, hey, its twenty years old, there's more efficient models available; its probably time to replace it. Heck, called the bank, and they'd be more than happy to set me up a line of credit to do a nice pile of energy saving home improvements; my job is fine, even in the current mess, so it'd even sorta make sense.

What do I do?
I re-fabricate the broken part and install it myself.

My conclusion, even the people with the means to restart economic activity; won't. They have the means because they understood economics in the first place; and now its painfully obvious... its broken, badly. Not sure what kind of thing or world will move in, in its place, but I'd rather be sitting on cash and tradeable commodities than on a new, energy saving, air conditioner and refrigerator.

Hard to buy bread with a refrigerator.

[outcast]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'C')hina will not survive. They are the most poorly placed country in all of this, worse even than the continent of Africa. The facts are China has 25% of the world's mouths, 6% of the world's fresh water, 7% of the world's arable land. They also have a gangster system in place still that has murdered and butchered over 100 Million of it's own citizen's. In the news this morning, they are starting to have riots and over 100 killed in clashes. You can educate yourself about the butchery of Chinese Communism here. http://www.ninecommentaries.com

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')o the topic at hand though, the unwinding... A recent experience gives me pause, and puts doubts to my wishing that the unwinding would happen not soon. Just a simple thing, but apparently not atypical.

My twenty year old A/C goes belly up, and I call a trusted contractor to come give it a poke, and basically its some model specific part that is no longer available thats just plain ole broke. A part that looks to me very much like one that is supposed to define the designed life expectancy of the unit. So, hey, its twenty years old, there's more efficient models available; its probably time to replace it. Heck, called the bank, and they'd be more than happy to set me up a line of credit to do a nice pile of energy saving home improvements; my job is fine, even in the current mess, so it'd even sorta make sense.

What do I do?
I re-fabricate the broken part and install it myself.

My conclusion, even the people with the means to restart economic activity; won't. They have the means because they understood economics in the first place; and now its painfully obvious... its broken, badly. Not sure what kind of thing or world will move in, in its place, but I'd rather be sitting on cash and tradeable commodities than on a new, energy saving, air conditioner and refrigerator.

Hard to buy bread with a refrigerator.

[AgentR]

There is nothing essential that can not be kept in the absence of refrigeration.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')here is nothing essential that can not be kept in the absence of refrigeration.

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')here is nothing essential that can not be kept in the absence of refrigeration.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'T')here is nothing essential that can not be kept in the absence of refrigeration.

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '.')..
Hard to keep food from spoiling without one too.

Of course without city provided electricity it would probably cost 4000 dollars for all the solar panels and needed supplies to run one.

[Quinny]

Rather a sweeping statement.

Three entirely different systems with entirely different histories and entirely different levels of efficiency in all areas not just in your words 'mass murder'.

Stick to your factual clips/quotes it makes you seem intelligent.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('deMolay', 'T')here is no system in the history of the world that achieved the efficiencies of mass murder like National Socialism in Germany or the Communist regimes of Russia and China. The how about is that historically your claims have no factual basis.

[jasonraymondson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('odegaard', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '.')..
Hard to keep food from spoiling without one too.

Of course without city provided electricity it would probably cost 4000 dollars for all the solar panels and needed supplies to run one.

[beamofthewave]

Go watch the Grapes of Wrath for a preview of the suffering we here in the USA are in store for. 7 million died in this country from the last depression due to starvation. Our system of throw away people is not all that compassionate or carrying for the unemployed.

Also I do believe the electricity is going by by. Capitalism does not believe in up grading apparently because my understanding is that we have not upgraded for decades and we sure dont have the money to now that we gave the treasury to Goldman Sachs. I was in the Peace Corps two years and got to live without it and I am here to tell you that you are going to miss it immensely. As for toilet paper, that did not exist, just use water, figure it out yourself. I hear with having given the banks 30 trillion we are all headed for Cambodian style living, that should be exciting-not-no work, no money, lots of water born parasitic diseases. Oh well, people in this country think the rich care about them and are they going to be in for a surprise, soon we will get to see capitalism at its finest. What an evil economic theory. I am so glad it is now a dead economic theory and we will have to figure something else out. I am still working and I am spending no money, not one dime for anything from now on in case my kid and I end up being economic refugees like lots of people become in depressions.

[gnm]

Yeah its all capitalisms fault. We should all go move to a workers paradise like DPRK or maybe China or Burma to see how good they have it without capitalism! Yeah we're in for a shitestorm all right but don't you think you're simplifying it a bit too narrowly?

Oh and ya can't turn off my refrigeration or power... Its all solar-PV...

-G

[beamofthewave]

Never, ever said fascist dictatorship was the answer, now that our economic system is dead we are going to have to find something else to replace it and I truly hope it isnt going to be a fascist dictatorship like the countries you mentioned. At least the Bush family will be gone to Paraguy to their compound once TSHTF here, hopefully the rest of the elites will get out too, they have made enough of a mess here with their free market lies and compassionate capitalism lies. Bush will be watching us all on his big screen TV from the safety of his compound in Paraguy saying 'I sure hope someone helps those people," like he did for all the American citizens on their rooftops during Katrina.

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')s this Phase II.0 or just plain Vanilla Phase II?...

[vision-master]

[nobodypanic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('odegaard', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')s this Phase II.0 or just plain Vanilla Phase II?...

[Tyler_JC]

Who is more likely to get laid off in this recession, the school teacher and the nurse or the investment banker and the construction worker?

The first category is a field dominated by women, the second by men.

There's your unemployment gap.

[DantesPeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I')s this Phase II.0 or just plain Vanilla Phase II? Because if it is just Phase II then how will we ever get to Phase II.I and be done with it?