[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Spanktron9', '
')This is what I keep trying to convey to the hippies in Eugene, OR. They all have huge gardens, and bicycle everywhere, and do a good job of post peak living, except they all have huge "PEACE" banners and prayer flags out front. A large, disenfranchised part of the OR population, has military training, and the will to use it. That nice well stocked pantry is easy pickens with no defense plan.

[Minvaren]

I find myself agreeing mostly with you, Mos.

Those who can Do Things (medicine, growing or procuring food, sewing, brewing/distilling/creating drugs, building, etc.) will gain protection from those who need said things. There will be the exception, but even in direct conflict, the two should on average realize the benefit from each other. The real question is - on whose terms is the deal struck?

One can hope for the best, anyway.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Minvaren', 'I') find myself agreeing mostly with you, Mos.

Those who can Do Things (medicine, growing or procuring food, sewing, brewing/distilling/creating drugs, building, etc.) will gain protection from those who need said things. There will be the exception, but even in direct conflict, the two should on average realize the benefit from each other. The real question is - on whose terms is the deal struck?

One can hope for the best, anyway.

[odegaard]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I') think that's why I tend to get into so many flamewars with the James Wesley Rawles style survivalists, most of whom tend to cluster over at LATOC. A bunch of trigger-happy soldiers does not make a functional community.

[kiwichick]

montequest; yes continuous recession is depression

and thats what we are entering now

it will be 10 times worse than the 30's

[Graeme]

No it can't according to Kopits:

What oil price can America afford?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')teven Kopits of Douglas Westwood Energy research discusses this urgency in a new report, noting that in the last 37 years, the US has suffered six recessions. From the beginning of each, he says, oil played a central role. In every case when oil consumption breached 4 per cent of GDP, he notes, the US has suffered a recession. Indeed, he says, the current US recession began within two months of oil hitting the 4 per cent threshold, when oil reached $80 per barrel.

[bodigami]

yes, partly.

[eXpat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Graeme', 'N')o it can't according to Kopits:

What oil price can America afford?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')teven Kopits of Douglas Westwood Energy research discusses this urgency in a new report, noting that in the last 37 years, the US has suffered six recessions. From the beginning of each, he says, oil played a central role. In every case when oil consumption breached 4 per cent of GDP, he notes, the US has suffered a recession. Indeed, he says, the current US recession began within two months of oil hitting the 4 per cent threshold, when oil reached $80 per barrel.

[rangerone314]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', '
')History then provides us three rules by which to avoid recession caused by oil prices, notably:
1. Crude oil expenditures should not exceed 4% of GDP.
2. Oil prices should not increase by more than 50% year-on-year.
3. Oil price increases should not be so great that a potential demand adjustment should have to reach 0.8% of GDP on an annual basis, as shedding demand at this rate has generally been associated with recession.