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Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design: Who's Right?

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 09:26:55

Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (58 min long...) :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 09:28:22

The ironic thing is that people who are in the "Intelligent Design" camp usually wind up being Darwin Award candidates. :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 09:31:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'T')he ironic thing is that people who are in the "Intelligent Design" camp usually wind up being Darwin Award candidates. :)



Sounds like Darwin got some things right. :roll:
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 09:39:31

The real, honest question is.. What does this "intelligent design" bring to the table as a useful and functional scientific theory?

As far as I can tell... nada.

I have a hypothesis too; its called, "I believe a tall woman added the dye to the plastic bead mixture that was used to form the case of the UPS attached to my workstation." Could be true, you never know. Does it matter? nope. But hey, evidence or no, I'll call it the Great Bead Theory,,,, and you all best believe or I'll put toothpaste in your hair! BLUE even! grrr!

If some person out there, with a younger faith perhaps, feels the need to reconcile evolutionary biology with divine creation, there's a simpler, more reasonable way to do so. Biological evolution sites random chance as cause for occasional genetic changes that lead to diversification and eventually giving rise to new species as the ability to interbreed is lost. "Finger of God" is just as good as "random chance" in that capacity; doesn't really make any difference. Changes in DNA are observed over time, thats all thats really important there.

Waste of time, if you ask me; but no reason to ditch good science or good religion over.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 09:50:53

Evolution. Next question?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 09:58:53

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:13:09

Evolution is driven by random genetic mutations.

No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:16:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.

No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.


So, who's right?

What's the truth. :)
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:24:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.


Actually, random genetic mutations that are favored by natural selection in a favorable environmental niche. The mutated organism must reach reproductive age and produce viable offspring for evolution to occur.

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:25:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', 'S')o, who's right?

What's the truth. :)


Natural selection is extremely simple to prove. Didn't you see the "black-white moth in dirty European cities" example in your 9th grade Biology textbook?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby mos6507 » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:30:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')So, who's right?

What's the truth. :)


I know you want to figure this out, but I don't think your brain is capable of determining truth from superstition. Your brain is kind of stuck in "open minded" mode. You never seem to filter out the crackpottery. You really seem kind of obssessed with discovering new theories and less interested in determining whether there is any validity to them. The fact that you've double-backed and reposted some of your "finds" like the Dropa stones shows this phenomenon in action. You don't really work with these theories long enough or dig deep enough to even remember that you've already gone over the same territory before. It's like rummaging through the library and only reading the back covers. It's ADD, man.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby Jotapay » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:32:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')So, who's right?

What's the truth. :)


I know you want to figure this out, but I don't think your brain is capable of determining truth from superstition. Your brain is kind of stuck in "open minded" mode. You never seem to filter out the crackpottery.


In elementary school, were your teachers always telling you to mind your own business and quit tattling on the other students? You sure like to get in other people's junk.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:34:29

So, you didn't bother to watch the video, eh?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:44:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.

No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.



This ain't random.

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby AgentR » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:46:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.
No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.


Sure it can. You just don't like the implications.

Besides, its just a comfortable ruse; I have absolutely no trouble with evolution as is; nor do most scientists with strong religious faiths. But Joe Average can easily be lead astray either against science or against religion by people with ulterior motives because they think religious principles can tell us something particularly useful about biology, or because they think biology tells us something useful about religious principles; an issue settled centuries ago as a pointless waste of time.

Doesn't help much against the idgits who want to use such issues to cause people to hate science or hate religion sadly enough.

nb... The randomness is only demonstratable to an apparent level; in the context of an infinite and omniscient deity; the scale of the asserted source makes the sample size inadequate.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 10:52:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'E')volution is driven by random genetic mutations.
No "intelligent design" can be based upon a roulette wheel of chance.


Sure it can. You just don't like the implications.

Besides, its just a comfortable ruse; I have absolutely no trouble with evolution as is; nor do most scientists with strong religious faiths. But Joe Average can easily be lead astray either against science or against religion by people with ulterior motives because they think religious principles can tell us something particularly useful about biology, or because they think biology tells us something useful about religious principles; an issue settled centuries ago as a pointless waste of time.

Doesn't help much against the idgits who want to use such issues to cause people to hate science or hate religion sadly enough.

nb... The randomness is only demonstratable to an apparent level; in the context of an infinite and omniscient deity; the scale of the asserted source makes the sample size inadequate.


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The Science of the Dogon offers a case-by-case comparison of Dogon descriptions and drawings to corresponding scientific definitions and diagrams from authors like Stephen Hawking and Brian Greene, then extends this analysis to the counterparts of these symbols in both the ancient Egyptian and Hebrew religions. What is ultimately revealed is the scientific basis for the language of the Egyptian hieroglyphs, which was deliberately encoded to prevent the knowledge of these concepts from falling into the hands of all but the highest members of the Egyptian priesthood. The Science of the Dogon also offers compelling new interpretations for many of the most familiar Egyptian symbols, such as the pyramid and the scarab, and presents new explanations for the origins of religiously charged words such as Jehovah and Satan.
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby outcast » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 11:13:16

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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby vision-master » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 11:17:21

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Maybe like 3,500 BCE. :)

Then again, what do we know about human hisStory before the Deluge?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby green_achers » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 12:14:38

Who has 58 minutes to watch another pointless debate on a subject like this?
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Re: Darwins Evolution vs. Intelligent Design (Who's Right?)

Unread postby ian807 » Tue 16 Jun 2009, 13:12:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('green_achers', 'W')ho has 58 minutes to watch another pointless debate on a subject like this?


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