I know the cost of a high pressure tank for your garage big enough to fill one car a day is not that large, the question that arises is what does it cost in power to run the low speed constant compressor to top off your in garage tank after you fill your vehicle? A tank large enough to fill one vehicle a day is not that big, and unless you do some extraordinary length commuting you will not need to fill up more than once every 4 or 5 days. Even a household with three SUV's would be able to top them off in turn as the in garage tank is recharged constantly by the compressor. Jr. fills up his ride Friday night, Mom does hers Saturday afternoon when she gets home from shopping and Dad fills his Monday morning before his first commute of the week. By Tuesday morning the in garage tank is refilled and ready to fill Mom or Jr. back up for the rest of their week.
It might not be as convenient as stopping at any given filling station, but it certainly is not all that difficult either.
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Why unconventional natural gas makes the Waxman target easy
Re: Why unconventional natural gas makes the Waxman target easy
by Tanada » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 13:21:01
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One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Why unconventional natural gas makes the Waxman target easy
by TheDude » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 14:46:15
The Phill retailed for something like $3.5k. Now that the company's been bought out they're going for a premium: Cng Fuelmaker Model Phill , In Box, Never Installed, $6,499.
pstarr - I'll call up my local CNG dealer to find out what the installation costs were in total - no doubt a lot more was involved beyond the base price of the compressor itself, i.e., meeting EPA regs.
Amusingly enough now I see that most of the CNG outlets in my area are "private access only" - keylock outfits for commercial vehicles perhaps? And one of the two (only 16.4 miles away!) that is apparently open to the public at large is out of commission...beginning to see why these things are only a niche in two states.
There are other issues with mass production of CNGs that need addressed as well, supplying enough kevlar for the gas tanks for instance. People still have a conception of CNGs as "high speed bombs."
Found a whole forum dedicated to the Honda Civic GX (natural gas) and other CNG issues at Edwards car Space. Will be perusing there to learn more.
Well put, Mos. In the end I see us driving around town in lead acid battery powered golf carts, if 4 wheeled personal mobility carries on. There's a whole panoply of factors mitigating against switching over to alternate fuels ahead of the curve.
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Re: Why unconventional natural gas makes the Waxman target easy
by TheDude » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 14:54:03
Long-Term Test: 2007 Honda Civic GX
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ven with an EPA rating of 28 mpg city/39 mpg highway, the GX's driving range is just over 200 miles (and our testing so far has shown that the range is highly variable).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ven with an EPA rating of 28 mpg city/39 mpg highway, the GX's driving range is just over 200 miles (and our testing so far has shown that the range is highly variable).
Gets better and better.
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Re: Why unconventional natural gas makes the Waxman target easy
by Tanada » Sun 14 Jun 2009, 15:19:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '[')url=http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=122362]Long-Term Test: 2007 Honda Civic GX[/url]
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ven with an EPA rating of 28 mpg city/39 mpg highway, the GX's driving range is just over 200 miles (and our testing so far has shown that the range is highly variable).
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ven with an EPA rating of 28 mpg city/39 mpg highway, the GX's driving range is just over 200 miles (and our testing so far has shown that the range is highly variable).
Gets better and better.
And the proportion of the population commuting more than 100 miles each way to work on any given day is what exactly?
I don't beleive any single solution will make everything wine and roses instead of whine and thorns, but some options are very doable for a portion of the population each.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alfred Tennyson', 'W')e are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
God forbid we be inconvenienced by having to fill up every 200 miles instead of every 400 miles! 
