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Unread postby big_rc » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 14:32:59

Well, all I can say after reading this story is that I'm hoping the US's crash is not as hard as I fear.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s more people buy larger cars and trucks, cities are struggling with how to regulate huge garages while balancing the rights of property owners and nearby residents.




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Unread postby KiddieKorral » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 14:35:10

Stupid isn't the right word. It's more like ignorant.
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Unread postby Ebyss » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 15:27:25

They'll make good pig houses. Not that I advocate keeping pigs indoors all the time.
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Unread postby BiGG » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 15:57:24

So where the Hell are we supposed to park our car collection,

motorhome,

boat,

ATV’s,

dune biggie,

dirt bikes,

snowmobiles,

and other assorted toys if we don’t build a monument to ourselves known as a Monster Garage, what, we are supposed to get by with a Munchkin Garage or something?
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Unread postby NeoPeasant » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 17:02:42

Look at the bright side. The garages will serve as ready-made barns and chicken coops when we are forced to farm our suburban lawns to survive.
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Unread postby pip » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 17:03:11

I'm planning a barn. A garage just isn't cutting it.
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Unread postby pea-jay » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 17:14:06

Around here we have a subdivision that is half populated with RV garages (in addition to the standard 3 car garage!) all attached to the house. One of those suckers is a drive through garage (so the owner can drive his RV through his house into the back yard). I am not making this up!

Here is a picture from a subdivision in Laughlin NV that offers RV garages
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I ranted about this very subject in my blog about a month or so ago.
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Unread postby Frank » Thu 21 Apr 2005, 06:05:58

Some municipalities are also struggling with the width of public parking spaces, if you can imagine. Seems there was a general trend to make things narrower after the move to smaller vehicles 25 years ago and all those SUV'ers now feel they need more room to accomodate their "girth".

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Unread postby BiGG » Thu 21 Apr 2005, 12:10:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'A')round here we have a subdivision that is half populated with RV garages (in addition to the standard 3 car garage!) all attached to the house. One of those suckers is a drive through garage (so the owner can drive his RV through his house into the back yard). I am not making this up!

I ranted about this very subject in my blog about a month or so ago.



So what’s the point here, those desiring a garage for their motorhome can’t build one because you don’t like them? Heck, that chintzy little garage pictured wouldn’t fit half my toys and I have four drive-through doors besides the three for my cars just so I never have to twist my neck while backing out of it. You probably don’t want to hear about the heated driveway either I imagine.
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Unread postby pup55 » Thu 21 Apr 2005, 13:17:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 's')ome of his neighbors disagree, calling it an eyesore


kpeavey and I had a conversation about this issue awhile back.

You see, this also impacts people who want to erect energy capturing devices. Exactly the same whining neighbors can also keep you from erecting a solar panel or a big tank to capture rainwater, or, for that matter, even planting a garden in your back yard.

On the other hand, I do not want to live next to someone who is maintaining, say, a 600 foot pile of manure in his backyard, either.

The current "community standards of aestheic appeal" are derived from a fossil-fuel-driven suburbian frame of reference, based on a lot of people with a lot of time on their hands thinking that they have the right to tell you what to do, and writing bylaws and ordinances to enforce it.

When these people are finally put to work, doing activities like walking instead of driving, and planting their own food supply, they will have less time and energy to complain about what is or is not in their neighbors' yard.
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Unread postby JoeW » Thu 21 Apr 2005, 14:00:49

Sounds to me like some people just have an over-developed case of garage-envy.
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Unread postby BastardSquad » Fri 22 Apr 2005, 19:21:16

I waaaannnnnnt one!!!!!! :twisted:

I'd trade unneeded body parts to have one!!! 8)
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 01:45:40

Wait a minute, let me see if I have this right.
Property *I* bought, and *I'M* paying for, YOU have a problem as to what my garage is like?
Interesting.
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Unread postby BorneoRagnarok » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 03:01:00

I agree with Specop_007 here. They paid for the garages with whatever they have (Hand, leg, first born or whatever). They work for it. Last time, I checked US government have not nationalize everything yet. At least not happen yet.

As energy price increase, market force will force or 'encourage' those people to pay more to heat all those gorgeous garages and houses and drive to work. However if petrol/diesel price fly to the moon, it can be abandoned and scavenged for building materials such what happened to the Great Pyramid outer layer. Some can be converted to barns and chicken coops . Others can be used to accomodate food refugees.

So not all is lost. Let them enjoy it while it lasts. For peakoilers, we can plan ahead on how to scavenge all those garage for firewood and building materials. However , you need to wait for 5 or 10 years. :roll:
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I just wonder what will happened to New York 5000 years from now ??
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Unread postby 0mar » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 12:36:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')ait a minute, let me see if I have this right.
Property *I* bought, and *I'M* paying for, YOU have a problem as to what my garage is like?
Interesting.



yes because your actions harm the community. Your SUV or RV consumes far more than its fair share of resources. Let's leave economics aside and look purely at resource depletion. To drive to wherever, you consume 1.5 to 2x as much resources as does a small car. Your large home consumes 3x-5x as much natural gas to heat than a smaller more thoughtfully designed home.

The American culture of money, bigger and bigger things and of "I can afford, so why not?" definately has to go if we have any chance at surviving. It is precisely the problem. Go espouse ideals of freedom, self-determination and whatever else you think America stands for, because it really isn't the true America. The True America is Money, Money and then more Money, at the expense of God, Country, Family and Environment. We deny others what we covet for ourselves. If you are familiar with the Old Testament, America is Canaan, pure and simple.
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Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 12:59:55

Seems to me that the root problem is people jamming themselves into such crowded living conditions. If they weren't living on 1/8 acre lots in stupid little subdivisions, they wouldn't be getting their panties all in a knot about the neighbor's garage.

I think it's gauche, obnoxious, and ridiculously shot sighted, but I don't see where it's any concern for the government.

For the record, only ridiculous, gauche, obnoxious people have the time to whine about such stupid things as the neighbors bringing down their property values.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 22:01:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')ait a minute, let me see if I have this right.
Property *I* bought, and *I'M* paying for, YOU have a problem as to what my garage is like?
Interesting.



yes because your actions harm the community. Your SUV or RV consumes far more than its fair share of resources. Let's leave economics aside and look purely at resource depletion. To drive to wherever, you consume 1.5 to 2x as much resources as does a small car. Your large home consumes 3x-5x as much natural gas to heat than a smaller more thoughtfully designed home.

The American culture of money, bigger and bigger things and of "I can afford, so why not?" definately has to go if we have any chance at surviving. It is precisely the problem. Go espouse ideals of freedom, self-determination and whatever else you think America stands for, because it really isn't the true America. The True America is Money, Money and then more Money, at the expense of God, Country, Family and Environment. We deny others what we covet for ourselves. If you are familiar with the Old Testament, America is Canaan, pure and simple.


Ah yes, the "Blame Americans" argument.
So, what your saying is, if we could push the "Kill America" button there would be a peak oil and resource depletion? The sole reason for Peak oil is because of America right?
Its a consumer driven Capitalistic world we live in. If you can afford it, DO IT. Supply and demand will dictate what you pay. Fact of the matter is, you shouldnt be jealous because someone can afford to spend twice as much as you on vacations. Its that simple.
Having said that I will point out I drive a Jetta TDI, so I'm not backing this argument for any personal reasons. I simply think its utterly ridiculous to point a finger at someone with a slightly bigger house and scream ITS HIM!! ITS HIM!!.
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Unread postby small_steps » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 22:41:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')ait a minute, let me see if I have this right.
Property *I* bought, and *I'M* paying for, YOU have a problem as to what my garage is like?
Interesting.



yes because your actions harm the community. Your SUV or RV consumes far more than its fair share of resources. Let's leave economics aside and look purely at resource depletion. To drive to wherever, you consume 1.5 to 2x as much resources as does a small car. Your large home consumes 3x-5x as much natural gas to heat than a smaller more thoughtfully designed home.

The American culture of money, bigger and bigger things and of "I can afford, so why not?" definately has to go if we have any chance at surviving. It is precisely the problem. Go espouse ideals of freedom, self-determination and whatever else you think America stands for, because it really isn't the true America. The True America is Money, Money and then more Money, at the expense of God, Country, Family and Environment. We deny others what we covet for ourselves. If you are familiar with the Old Testament, America is Canaan, pure and simple.


I'll take this a step out post PO. Lets say you have made preparations, and others come in and demand that they take a share of your efforts, how do you react, especially if it puts you into a bind? Would the (in)action of not giving your short-sighted neighbors the fruits of your labor be "harming the community" - It certainly could be seen that way! Now lets say that your house takes 3x as much wood to heat as the next guys, and you collected enough to do so, while the nextdoor guy didn't? Do you owe this guy a cord or two? I don't think so, you may be kind and offer, but you are not obligated to.
You make a comment about what america is, and I agree that our priorities have been neglected, and what made america great, that anyone can work their way to success (what ever your definition is) is still there.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 23 Apr 2005, 22:51:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('small_steps', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')ait a minute, let me see if I have this right.
Property *I* bought, and *I'M* paying for, YOU have a problem as to what my garage is like?
Interesting.



yes because your actions harm the community. Your SUV or RV consumes far more than its fair share of resources. Let's leave economics aside and look purely at resource depletion. To drive to wherever, you consume 1.5 to 2x as much resources as does a small car. Your large home consumes 3x-5x as much natural gas to heat than a smaller more thoughtfully designed home.

The American culture of money, bigger and bigger things and of "I can afford, so why not?" definately has to go if we have any chance at surviving. It is precisely the problem. Go espouse ideals of freedom, self-determination and whatever else you think America stands for, because it really isn't the true America. The True America is Money, Money and then more Money, at the expense of God, Country, Family and Environment. We deny others what we covet for ourselves. If you are familiar with the Old Testament, America is Canaan, pure and simple.


I'll take this a step out post PO. Lets say you have made preparations, and others come in and demand that they take a share of your efforts, how do you react, especially if it puts you into a bind? Would the (in)action of not giving your short-sighted neighbors the fruits of your labor be "harming the community" - It certainly could be seen that way! Now lets say that your house takes 3x as much wood to heat as the next guys, and you collected enough to do so, while the nextdoor guy didn't? Do you owe this guy a cord or two? I don't think so, you may be kind and offer, but you are not obligated to.
You make a comment about what america is, and I agree that our priorities have been neglected, and what made america great, that anyone can work their way to success (what ever your definition is) is still there.


Theres a difference between demanding and buying. Lets say our short sighted neighbor does run out of wood. If he demands wood, thats stealing. Now, lets say you put up enough for you. You have two options. Give him none, or give him some. At this point we have supply and demand at its finest. Lets say that neighbor has something you need or want. Say.... hand tools. Now, you can figure out how much wood you can do without by keeping it a bit cooler in the house, and then offer him your extra wood in return for the hand tools. Capitalism and supply and demand.

The simple fact is, with resource depletion and PO it isnt a matter of IF we get to the edge, but rather a matter of when. So doesnt it make sense, since we know the "End" is inevitable, to live for the now? Why should I eek out a meager lifestyle to simply extend the resources a decade longer? The net effect is the same. We hit the bottom.
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Unread postby 0mar » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 00:16:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')ait a minute, let me see if I have this right.
Property *I* bought, and *I'M* paying for, YOU have a problem as to what my garage is like?
Interesting.



yes because your actions harm the community. Your SUV or RV consumes far more than its fair share of resources. Let's leave economics aside and look purely at resource depletion. To drive to wherever, you consume 1.5 to 2x as much resources as does a small car. Your large home consumes 3x-5x as much natural gas to heat than a smaller more thoughtfully designed home.

The American culture of money, bigger and bigger things and of "I can afford, so why not?" definately has to go if we have any chance at surviving. It is precisely the problem. Go espouse ideals of freedom, self-determination and whatever else you think America stands for, because it really isn't the true America. The True America is Money, Money and then more Money, at the expense of God, Country, Family and Environment. We deny others what we covet for ourselves. If you are familiar with the Old Testament, America is Canaan, pure and simple.


Ah yes, the "Blame Americans" argument.
So, what your saying is, if we could push the "Kill America" button there would be a peak oil and resource depletion? The sole reason for Peak oil is because of America right?
Its a consumer driven Capitalistic world we live in. If you can afford it, DO IT. Supply and demand will dictate what you pay. Fact of the matter is, you shouldnt be jealous because someone can afford to spend twice as much as you on vacations. Its that simple.
Having said that I will point out I drive a Jetta TDI, so I'm not backing this argument for any personal reasons. I simply think its utterly ridiculous to point a finger at someone with a slightly bigger house and scream ITS HIM!! ITS HIM!!.


It is not America's fault per se, but the culture that America has cultivated. Everyone is at fault for PO, but we are disproptionately responsible and still are. Instead of making better choices, we encourage this culture of consumption.
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