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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 00:32:12

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Property *I* bought, and *I'M* paying for, YOU have a problem as to what my garage is like?
Interesting.



yes because your actions harm the community. Your SUV or RV consumes far more than its fair share of resources. Let's leave economics aside and look purely at resource depletion. To drive to wherever, you consume 1.5 to 2x as much resources as does a small car. Your large home consumes 3x-5x as much natural gas to heat than a smaller more thoughtfully designed home.

The American culture of money, bigger and bigger things and of "I can afford, so why not?" definately has to go if we have any chance at surviving. It is precisely the problem. Go espouse ideals of freedom, self-determination and whatever else you think America stands for, because it really isn't the true America. The True America is Money, Money and then more Money, at the expense of God, Country, Family and Environment. We deny others what we covet for ourselves. If you are familiar with the Old Testament, America is Canaan, pure and simple.


Ah yes, the "Blame Americans" argument.
So, what your saying is, if we could push the "Kill America" button there would be a peak oil and resource depletion? The sole reason for Peak oil is because of America right?
Its a consumer driven Capitalistic world we live in. If you can afford it, DO IT. Supply and demand will dictate what you pay. Fact of the matter is, you shouldnt be jealous because someone can afford to spend twice as much as you on vacations. Its that simple.
Having said that I will point out I drive a Jetta TDI, so I'm not backing this argument for any personal reasons. I simply think its utterly ridiculous to point a finger at someone with a slightly bigger house and scream ITS HIM!! ITS HIM!!.


It is not America's fault per se, but the culture that America has cultivated. Everyone is at fault for PO, but we are disproptionately responsible and still are. Instead of making better choices, we encourage this culture of consumption.


Technically that culture isnt "American", nor is the idea behind it. One could probably trace it back to ancient times. Take for example Chinas wealthy elite in spanning palaces, European exploration and world domination, The Greeks and Romans great cities. To pin this consumeristic idealogy on America is being very, very short sighted and narrow minded. It could almost be said we (Americans) adopted the idea from the Europeans.
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Unread postby pea-jay » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 01:10:09

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')Technically that culture isnt "American", nor is the idea behind it. One could probably trace it back to ancient times. Take for example Chinas wealthy elite in spanning palaces, European exploration and world domination, The Greeks and Romans great cities. To pin this consumeristic idealogy on America is being very, very short sighted and narrow minded. It could almost be said we (Americans) adopted the idea from the Europeans.


I actually agree with Specop on this point. We did not invent selfishness, elitism or wanton consumption nor do we have a monopoly on dominating behavior or resource-grabbing. History is replete with examples of bad behavior. Personally, I blame our genes. We're driven pretty much like any other species to maximize our existance at the expense of others.

Americans and American culture are just extraordinarily good at it.
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Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 03:02:10

I have to agree with Spec-Op on this one. Its not "American" to live like this. It has always been but elegantly exemplified in the Victorian England Era where toiling in the soil became unsightly. We are to blame ourselves that we create this culture and then condemn it.

Its like some parable where the kid gets away with too much then has to be reigned in. It happens, it happened here, but its his free will and free choice even if we might see it as wrong.

I just hope he doesn't freak out when my chickens, lawfully kept in my yard, wake him up crowing at 6 am. Hopefully his unsightly large garage will block the sun out long enough so the chickens let us sleep an extra hour.
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